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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #75 on: October 13, 2010, 03:05:03 am »
Great shot!

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #76 on: November 11, 2010, 01:42:53 pm »
I have a Julian bull that has the legend error IVLIANVS P AVG rather than PF AVG.  It looks official, just not a very good engraver who did the work.
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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #77 on: November 11, 2010, 01:48:28 pm »
I also consigned a Theodosius II that had obverse legend D N THEODOSVS P F AVG, missing the I in his name.  I like it because it is on a rarer type to boot...
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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #78 on: November 11, 2010, 01:49:27 pm »
At 25 mm only, with legend error and slightly irregular style, I'd say the Julian is likely to be an ancient imitation.

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #79 on: November 13, 2010, 01:47:24 pm »
IMP C C VAL DIOCLETIANVS P AVG
Should be: IMP C C VAL DIOCLETIANVS PF AVG

Either the engraver ran out of room for the "F", or at this point in time Diocletian was merely dutiful but not yet wise. ;)


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UNIQUE Volusianus anto with reverse legend error!
« Reply #80 on: November 24, 2010, 04:11:20 pm »
My friend (famous expert of antoninianii of the 238-253 coinage) showed me his new found.

- unknown obverse legend: IMP FILI GAL VEND VOLVSIANO AVG
- reverse legend with error: ROMAE AETERNAT AVG

Amazing piece!

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #81 on: December 06, 2010, 10:14:50 am »
Here is my newest Gordian III. barbaric suberatus with funny figure and two
legend errors on reverse:

SAECVLI VELICIIAS
Orig.: SAECVLI FELICITAS

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New shots: Unique Gordian III. antos
« Reply #82 on: April 22, 2011, 06:19:06 am »
CONCORIA AVG (instead of CONCORDIA AVG) from Antiochia:

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #83 on: April 22, 2011, 06:20:50 am »
CONCORDIA MLIT (instead of CONCORDIA MILIT) from Rome:

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #84 on: April 22, 2011, 08:49:20 am »
# 1. Macrianus.  INDVGENTIA instead of INDULGENTIA.
# 2. Nero and Agrippina. Acrippina instead of AGRIPPINA. Doesn't look like a clogged die.

It seems that this kind of errors were more frequent on the days following the Saturnalia.  ;D

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #85 on: April 22, 2011, 10:38:15 am »
Comparing the G's that show on Agrippina, I see that G/C as a matter of handwriting that is particularly common involving Greek cutters making Latin letters that are not found in Greek.  The missing letters strike me as examples of what Benito called a Saturnalia problem.  It was hard to get good help in those days, too.  The F is omitted too frequently from PF coins to allow me to accept it as an accident but I don't know if it was fully planned or just the recognition that the F was the least significant letter.  We need a coin with no F and a lot of extra space at the end to show that the omission was not based on space. 

How do you explain this one's obverse?  If it reads PFI before AVG should we yell error or added Invictus. 
http://www.pbase.com/dougsmit/image/110210033.jpg
Just because a coin does not fit a pattern we have in mind does not always mean the coin is wrong.  These dies were individual pieces of work cut by people who did things 'their way'.  Some were more 'original' than others.  Many couldn't spell any better than I and spelling consistently has not been an obsession through all of history.  The FILI Volusian is certainly interesting but hardly an error. 

It is almost as difficult to show coins of Pescennius Niger that don't have an error.  Examples of certain Byzantine bronzes that do not appear overstruck or double struck are the exception rather than the rule.   There are many examples of coins that make it hard to define 'normal' too strictly. 

How many have Julian bulls with eagles that weigh considerably less than their bulls without eagles?  Is it fair to say that unofficial bulls are more likely to have eagles than not?

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #86 on: April 22, 2011, 04:42:33 pm »
Currently posted on VAuctions.......


MIP AVRELIANVS AVG instead of IMP AVRELIANVS AVG.

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #87 on: April 22, 2011, 05:44:37 pm »
I always find it interesting to see the results of auctions like this one.  How will the market react to an obvious misspelling like MIP compared, for example,  to the Probus types with variant legends (lacking PF or super long form).  Of course we have to factor in things like whether people prefer 90% silvering to 100% glossy brown surfaces and other factors.  One sale only shows who showed up on that particular day but overall, how much do we collectors as a group add value for errors in spelling as opposed to intentional variations?   

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #88 on: April 22, 2011, 10:35:46 pm »
Ave!

Galeria Valeria with mis-spelled Rev.

Should read VENERI VICTRICI - In this case we read VENERI VCITRICI.

Sweet!

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #89 on: April 23, 2011, 01:51:59 am »
Great hits!

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #90 on: April 29, 2011, 04:42:15 pm »
May be that this is of interest for someone:

Legend errors of Nikopolis ad Istrum

I have asked for legend errors on Provincial coins some time before. Here I have the statistics of legend errors of Nikopolis ad Istrum from my collection. Naturally this statistics is biased because I have paid especial attention for legend errors.

In the moment I have 409 of Nikopolis coins of which 52 have legend errors = 12.7%

Types of errors:
(1) wrong letter                     10
(2) missed letter                    12
(3) several missed letters        5 
(4) additional letter                  3
(5) several  additional letters   -
(5) interchanged letters           1
(6) inverted letter                     1
(7) retrograde letter                 1
(8) retrograde legend               7
(9) corrected errors                  2

Emperors:
pseudo-autonomous            1 of 4       25.0%
Commodus                           5 of 21     23.8%
Severus                                7 of 105     6.7%
Domna                                  1 of 3       33.3%
Caracalla                            10 of 51     19.6%
Geta                                     1 of 16        6.3%
Macrinus                               2 of 42        4.7%
Diadumenian                        5 of 35      14.3%
Elagabal                             16 of 92      17.4%
Gordian III                            4 of 29      13.8%

The fact that the coins of Commodus were struck very poorly is well known. Beyond that I have expected that the most legend errors would occur on the so-called 'Einer' of Severus, his small coins struck in a huge number of different types. But actually it is Elagabal who has won the race with the errors on his big coins.

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #91 on: June 02, 2011, 10:52:14 am »
Here are a few flavian coins with legend error:


1) RIC 837 of Domitian: it's a Thracian sestertius of Domitian, minted in 82 a.D.; the error is in the emperor's name.

Obverse regular legend is: : IMP DOMITIAN CAES DIVI VESP F AUG PM TR P PP COS VIII

This coin has: : IMP DOMITIANI CAES DIVI VESP F AUG PM TR P PP COS VIII



2) RIC 509 of Titus: another Thracian sestertius of Domitian, minted in 80-81; the error is in the consulate's number (V instead of VII)

Obverse regular legend is: CAES DIVI AUG VESP F DOMITIANUS COS VII

This coin has: CAES DIVI AUG VESP F DOMITIANUS COS V


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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #92 on: June 02, 2011, 10:54:12 am »
And two more:

3) RIC 383 of Domitian: it's a common Domitian's as with Moneta on reverse, but there is a wrong double G.

Obverse regular legend is: MONETA AVGVST  S C

This coin has: MONETA AVGGVST  S C

4) RIC 483 of Vespasian: it's a dupondius of Titus, minted in 72 a.D.; there's a "X" missing on the reverse legend.

Obverse regular legend is: ROMA VICTRIX S C

This coin has: ROMA VICTRI S C


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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #93 on: June 02, 2011, 02:05:47 pm »
Great examples!

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #94 on: June 03, 2011, 12:56:58 pm »
This is a really nice thread!
I am not posting images, as they should be available on the internet anyway. My two favourite Philip the Arab errors are as follows - both coins I have sold later on:
1. Rome mint Aeqvitas reverse type with ANNONA AVG reverse legend - illustrated on Jim's Philp page.
2. Antioch mint Philip I "PAX ORBIS" reverse coin with a "caesar" bust.

The only Otho misspelling I have seen, RIC 16  with VICTORIA OTHONS reverse instead of OTHONIS reverse - sold via FORUM, image there. Three coins of this die are known. Misspelled dies from Rome during thistime are very rare. There is a neat article on these, but I could not find it now - most likely by Kent. Curtis may remember?
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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #95 on: June 17, 2011, 09:58:44 am »
Aemilianus anto from 10th Nudelman auction.

IOVI CONSERVAF instead of IOVI CONSERVAT

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #96 on: June 17, 2011, 11:02:47 am »
FlaviusD,

Thanks for showing your four coins, though I have doubts about some of the readings.

MONET AVGGVST is nice. Is obverse COS X (RIC 221) or COS XI (RIC 303)? Probably RIC 303, and your 383 above is a typo?

I have reservations about your other three errors, however.

Your no. 1: I read the normal DOMITIAN, not DOMITIANI.

No. 2: The letters VS COS V at the end of the obverse legend look tooled to me. I think the original die must have shown the correct COS VII, not COS V.

No. 4: Your coin shows signs of rough cleaning, and there is space at the end of the reverse legend for the normal VICTRIX, with an X after VICTRI, so I suspect that the cleaner merely removed that original X. In fact we have on consignment a dupondius from that same die pair, collection Harry Sneh purchased from Tom Cederlind, where the correct reading VICTRIX is perfectly clear.

Jyrki,

Yes, the article about legend errors is by Kent, from an obscure Hungarian festschrift. I have a printout of a copy of this article that you sent me some years ago!
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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #97 on: June 17, 2011, 11:50:06 am »
FlaviusD,

Thanks for showing your four coins, though I have doubts about some of the readings.

MONET AVGGVST is nice. Is obverse COS X (RIC 221) or COS XI (RIC 303)? Probably RIC 303, and your 383 above is a typo?

I have reservations about your other three errors, however.

Your no. 1: I read the normal DOMITIAN, not DOMITIANI.

No. 2: The letters VS COS V at the end of the obverse legend look tooled to me. I think the original die must have shown the correct COS VII, not COS V.

No. 4: Your coin shows signs of rough cleaning, and there is space at the end of the reverse legend for the normal VICTRIX, with an X after VICTRI, so I suspect that the cleaner merely removed that original X. In fact we have on consignment a dupondius from that same die pair, collection Harry Sneh purchased from Tom Cederlind, where the correct reading VICTRIX is perfectly clear.


Curtis, many thanks for your appreciation.

You're certainly right concerning Moneta, it's RIC 303 not 383.

You're right on my no. 1 too: I've been misleaded by the lettering.

Not sure regarding No. 2, though I trust your knowledge.

Same for No. 4 (Lanz wrote: "Vs:  T CAESAR VESPASIAN IMP III PON TR POT II COS II Büste mit Strahlenkrone nach rechts.
Rs:  ROMA VICTRI  (sic !)".

I post larger pictures of the sections involved.

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #98 on: June 19, 2011, 12:37:57 pm »
I already started a topic about it before I saw this one.

FEL TEM REPA-RATIO instead of FEL TEMP REPA-RATIO

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #99 on: June 19, 2011, 12:42:58 pm »
Yes, the 'P' is missing. Great stuff!

 

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