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Offline cot b

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Barbaryan fake of roman denar
« on: January 05, 2009, 04:23:28 pm »
 ???Is it a barbarian fake?

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Re: Barbaryan fake of roman denar
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2009, 06:07:16 pm »
Probably.  The inscriptions are very crude and 11 on the Reverse could be blundered PI.  Nothing looks right on this piece.

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Re: Barbaryan fake of roman denar
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2009, 06:17:04 pm »
I can't remember ever seeing a 'barbaric' denar.
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Re: Barbaryan fake of roman denar
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2009, 06:25:42 pm »
I can't remember ever seeing a 'barbaric' denar.


They are not too uncommon.

http://www.coinarchives.com/a/results.php?results=100&search=denarius+and+imitation

Phil Davis has a good site on imitations from the Republican period alone
http://rrimitations.ancients.info/

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Re: Barbaryan fake of roman denar
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2009, 12:47:53 pm »
 Interesting inormation  :afro: Thank you :)

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Re: Barbaryan fake of roman denar
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2009, 03:04:13 pm »
I have a couple of Barbarous denarii.

The following barb is in quite decent style (1st coin).

It looks to me like the coins was imitating a denarius of Septimius Severus with a BONVS EVENTVS reverse. Have a look at my Alexandrian example (2nd coin) for a comparison of what could have been a model for the barb but then I could just be looking for things that aren't there.

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Re: Barbaryan fake of roman denar
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2009, 03:32:52 pm »
I forgot about the Republican ones, but I haven't seen too many Imperial ones that
look 'barbaric' as opposed to just being domestic forgeries.

Martin, I think you mean the 2nd is a barb and the first official?
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Re: Barbaryan fake of roman denar
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2009, 04:02:20 pm »
My fist coin above is a barb. The second coin is official from Alexandria but may have formed the basis for the reverse design of the first barb in this thread.
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Re: Barbaryan fake of roman denar
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2009, 04:13:21 pm »
Funny, that look is exactly what I'm talking about when I say 'barbaric'.
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Re: Barbaryan fake of roman denar
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2009, 04:15:27 pm »
"???Is it a barbarian fake?"

What is that on the forehead of the obverse bust??
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Re: Barbaryan fake of roman denar
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2009, 04:19:34 pm »
I should have known better than to use that term. 'Barb' in my mind means an imitation of grotesque style like
the one in the first post, not merely a contemporary forgery. I would not use the word 'barb' or 'imitation' for your coin, Martin
but I know that the word 'barbaric' is a word I shouldn't use at all.
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Re: Barbarian fake of Roman denarius
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2009, 04:28:47 pm »
Martin,

I'd say your "barb" copies the corresponding Roman denarius without any input from the Alexandrian BONI EVENTVS!
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Re: Barbaryan fake of roman denar
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2009, 04:31:34 pm »
Sorry Curtis. I am not sure I made myself clear. I have the barb described in my notes as imitating the type you indicate. It is the coin that started this thread that I think might relate to the Alexandrian BONI.
I am probably having communication problems after a lack of sleep and on overly busy day.
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Re: Barbaryan fake of roman denar
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2009, 05:12:54 pm »
To me it looks more like a mature Marcus, or a Verus, but SeptSev is of course just as good a bet.  Very nice wild style anyway!

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Re: Barbarian fake of Roman denarius
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2009, 05:21:13 pm »
Oh yes, you were clear, I just didn't read carefully enough!

Yes, the barb reverse might well copy such an Eastern Sept. Sev. denarius, since the erroneous combination of Fides type with BONI EVENTVS legend occurs nowhere else, I think!

The portrait on the barb, especially the beard, looks more like Marcus Aurelius than Septimius, however.
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Re: Barbaryan fake of roman denar
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2009, 07:37:17 pm »
wow, the first coin is odd even by the standards of imitation denarii. The reverse figure looks like an extraterrestial! Love that hand.
Seriously though, some of these, but much closer to true form, have been appearing in e bay auctions the past few months. they have all been either Septimus Severus, Gordian III, or Severus Alexander. On at least half, the term "imitation" wasn't in the title of the listing, but in the description, so unless you looked at the pic more than a second, you could have missed them.

 

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