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Offline Viminacium

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Bronze ornament...
« on: August 16, 2012, 04:52:10 am »
I dont know what can this be... Maybe some fibula?

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Re: Bronze ornament...
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2012, 12:11:56 pm »
Part of a broken fibula.
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Re: Bronze ornament...
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2012, 12:15:46 pm »
Can you tell me fibula type?

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Re: Bronze ornament...
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2012, 08:36:08 pm »
I can't name the type, but I think it is likely Pannonian, c. 50 - 150 A.D. 
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Re: Bronze ornament...
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2012, 08:59:18 pm »
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Re: Bronze ornament...
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2012, 12:49:53 pm »
The problem with the chart and most references I have for fibulas is that they are UK oriented.  Fibula were manufactured across the empire and styles varied in different areas. Every workshop made them a little different.  Many of the fibula I have handled don't quite match any of examples published in my books (and I have quite a few books on fibulas).  The broken piece is most similar to the Kraftig type but those are single piece manufacture.  If there is a visible sign that the spring and pin were actually part of the same piece of bronze (were it was attached should be evident) then it is likely from before 50 A.D.  I think this one was two piece manufacture with a separate spring (but the photos don't show the other side). 
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Re: Bronze ornament...
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2012, 06:42:04 pm »
I will take picture of other side and will post it soon...

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Re: Bronze ornament...
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2012, 03:27:08 am »
Joe is right that it is a Kraeftig Profilierte type.  The name is simply German for "highly profiled" meaning "having a big bend".

They come in many many types with many different forms of construction.  The standard KP type, Okorag, Pannonian single knot and double knot, etc.  Sadly there is very little in English about them - Hattatt does not break them down well into typesAlmgren did the first real study over 100 years ago so you sometimes see Almgren numbers with such types

It is very hard to tell from this fragment what type it originally was as much of the distinction is on the missing bow and foot.

Joe's dates 50-150 cover most though some types date earlier - even a few decades BC.  Though called Pannonian some types extend down the Danube to the Black sea and into inland Bulgaria.

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Re: Bronze ornament...
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2012, 06:39:41 am »
That was good answer...thanx.

 

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