R5 Constantinus II ????

[jimwho523]

CONSTANTINVS IVN NOB C - Laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust left
CAESARVM NOSTRORVM, Outside wreath, around VOT (dot) V, TSBVI in ex.

Closest I can find is RIC VII, 116, R5. Am I correct, or suffering from RIC induced madness  

[Arles]

I don`t see a star in the wreath, so more likely to be RIC 128, a common coin. Sorry Jim.
Keith

[jimwho523]

Ric 128 is a VOT X, is it not?

PS. This is why I mentioned RIC madness  

PPS, there is something at the top of the wreath, I just don't want to ruin the coin by cleaning further ....

[Arles]

Sorry Jim, you`re right. Perhaps it is an unlisted coin completely. The TSAVI series with Vot V seems to be scantily recorded. Since it is listed in the next series (115,116) with both B1 and B4l. busts, this could be the missing B4l. bust that should have followed RIC 108 had it been discovered at the time. I still can`t see a star in that wreath, unless you can see it more clearly in person. I guess a rarity either way. Sorry for the mistake, doing everything in a rush lately.
Keith

[tacrolimus]

Keith, according to RIC, where exactly the star is expected to be? Inside wreath or on the top of the wreath?
This is listed as RIC 116.
Thanks
Luigi

[jimwho523]

Keith,

The star might or might not be there, I will put it back in distilled water to see if any other dirt can be removed, if not, I'll just have to attribute it as possible 116 or unlisted variant of Thessalonica, possibly following 108...

I seem to be missing pg 511 of ric VII, can someone scan it and sent it to me? please.... It is so frustrating since I can't see what 103 thru 112 are..

Thanks, Jim

[jbaran]

The example from DOC is actually RIC 120.  According to the plates in the back of RIC VII, the * aboev the exurge line appears inside the wreath.  The * in the circle above the exurge line indicates a star as part of the wreath.  So that would make your coin RIC 120 'B' listed as C1.

Joe

PS, I'll scan the page as soon as I clean the coins off the scanner

[jimwho523]

all,

I think you were right when you said it should most probably follow 108... The closer I look at the top of the wreath, the more convinced I am that it is just a wreath with no star.

[Jeff Clark]

Jim,
Here is a picture of RIC 108, 116 and 120 reverses.  Your coin clearly has the star in the top knot above the wreath.  It does not have the elliptical dot pattern that would be seen on the other two coins.  As usual, the most likely answer of a Common coin, is correct and it is RIC 120.

[jimwho523]

the * above the exurge line appears inside the wreath.  The * in the circle above the exurge line indicates a star as part of the wreath.

I take it then that the quote above is the correct interpretation of the RIC notations on Exergue?

(I'm getting a headache....  )

[tacrolimus]

The example from DOC is actually RIC 120.  According to the plates in the back of RIC VII, the * aboev the exurge line appears inside the wreath.  The * in the circle above the exurge line indicates a star as part of the wreath.  So that would make your coin RIC 120 'B' listed as C1.

Thanks a lot Joe.
What a pity i don't find the page of RIC VII where these symbols are summarized.
In order to update my records, is this RIC VII pag 512, #120 too?

[jbaran]

Yes it is.  RIC doesn't have a page that sums these up...that would make too much sense.  I just compared the plates in the back to the discription.  I remember Curtis saying once that the plate example always takes precedence over the discription.

Joe

[Jeff Clark]

Well, in deference to Curtis, I can think of at least one plate coin where there are two similar coins mentioned in the text and the plate coin is referred to by the wrong one.  Again, I guess the picture tells the story though and the text is wrong. So Curtis would indeed be correct that the picture would take precedence....just precedence over which coin?

[jimwho523]

You know... using and interpreting RIC would probably make a great thread for classical numismatics. I know that I get more than slightly confused sometimes  .

Maybe Joe or Alex could start a thread, and we could continue in that. I know I could sure use the knowledge, and I'm sure others could also.

What do you think?

Jim

[jbaran]

Sounds like a good idea to me.  I've played with Volumes 4 through 10 and I think I know what I'm doing...most of the time  .