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Offline Oscarius

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #75 on: April 28, 2012, 01:17:29 pm »

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #76 on: April 28, 2012, 02:53:40 pm »
I'd love to have this owl in my aviary .....

Yes, a very desirable coin!

An Owl Countermark

One of my favorite countermarks! That I don't have BTW  ::)

Thanks to you both for sharing!

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #77 on: April 29, 2012, 10:13:19 am »
It was somewhat difficult to get these normally solitary aves together.

All have differing personalities some are large some are small, some are thin and some are not so thin.

Some are primadonnas, some are more down to earth.

When I got a line up just about right I would find that there had been a squabble and some had gone out of position, but in the end I got there.

20 Athenian New Style tetradrachms : Now this is a parliament of owls!
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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #78 on: April 29, 2012, 12:06:20 pm »
Wow, thats quite a collection :o All very nice examples! They each seem to be of different mints/moneyers as well!
An impressive photo of the group!
Thanks for sharing!

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #79 on: May 01, 2012, 08:27:09 am »

Collective nouns can be fun.  Do you think this grouping might be an attic of owls?

Matt

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #80 on: May 01, 2012, 08:36:35 am »
Quote from: Matt Kreuzer on May 01, 2012, 08:27:09 am
an attic of owls?

 ;D

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #81 on: May 03, 2012, 06:03:55 am »
What about this coin?
2.13g
Does it look like a contemporary forgery?

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #82 on: May 07, 2012, 04:32:24 pm »



The gold hemidrachm?  This 2.13g coin sold in the January 2012 New York Sale as lot #374.
It is looks rather official, but crude.  I wonder if it is actually a part of the Lachares issues of c. 295 BC.
Gold was not regularly issued at Athens.  I am not aware of any Unofficial Issues.

Why do you ask?

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"What about this coin?
2.13g
Does it look like a contemporary forgery?"

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #83 on: May 10, 2012, 09:26:08 pm »
I have some one I didn't see posted...By the way gorgeous owls everyone.


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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #84 on: May 30, 2012, 10:04:26 am »
Ionia, Priene - AE 20
150-125 BC
helmeted head of Athena right
facing owl standing on amphora, star above pileus on both sides (symbol of Castor and Polydeuces)
ΠPI_H
AXIΛΛEI / ΔHΣ
REGLING PRIENE 166/167; SNG AUL 2156
6,02g 20-18 mm

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #85 on: May 30, 2012, 10:06:09 am »
Ionia, Priene - AE 17 
290-170 BC
helmeted head of Athena right
facing owl standing on amphora over palm branch
ΠPIH on left
ΔIONY / ΣIOY to right
BMC 50, SG 4554 var.
7,58g 16 mm

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #86 on: May 30, 2012, 10:41:25 am »

Great upturned amphora owls.

Rover & I certainly swapped ideas on the meaning of this coin type and its copying of the New Style.

I speculated that it had maybe got something to do with a Prienian winner of a parallel panathanaic competition open to all Greeks.

Also the Seleucids, Grypos and Thea produced a similar Ae and around the same time.

But I don't think we ever got any substences to the speculations..any ideas?
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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #87 on: May 30, 2012, 10:51:32 am »

Another point, that the Ae17 above has the dating of 290 -170 .Not only is very broad but also on the latest evidence precedes the New Style silver coinage of Athens, whose start date is now confidently stated to be 164/3 BC. ( Mattingley, Habicht & Meadows et al).

Are these coins in Seleucid Coins by Houghton & Lorber ? I can only guess that the dates have been or need revising.

I shall have to go to the university library and have a look sometime.
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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #88 on: May 30, 2012, 11:27:31 am »

Another point, that the Ae17 above has the dating of 290 -170 .Not only is very broad but also on the latest evidence precedes the New Style silver coinage of Athens, whose start date is now confidently stated to be 164/3 BC. ( Mattingley, Habicht & Meadows et al).

Are these coins in Seleucid Coins by Houghton & Lorber ? I can only guess that the dates have been or need revising.

I shall have to go to the university library and have a look sometime.

I don't have the book but I think only Royal Seleukid issues are included.


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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #89 on: May 30, 2012, 04:36:47 pm »
Date of the first coin is from Isegrim because I haven't found this variation (with star over pileus on both sides) anywhere else. Wildwinds says 150-120 BC for variant with leaves on sides.
Second coin has date from wildwinds. I agree it very suspicious that coins with one magistrate were struck 120 years but I haven't found more accurate attribution.

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #90 on: November 16, 2012, 11:00:41 pm »
this is my latest addition to the flock...
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-89379

a very rare left-facing owl on a Tarentine drachm.

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #91 on: November 17, 2012, 02:46:23 pm »

This parliament gets bigger and bigger.Plenty of room for new comers yet and there is a flurry of feathers cos there is a rumour that another is on the way!

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #92 on: November 17, 2012, 03:26:58 pm »
A few of my favorite owls.

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #93 on: November 17, 2012, 03:58:43 pm »
  i just love this topic owls are just such  beautiful creatures and so well depicted thankyou for posting +++ +++ +++

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #94 on: November 17, 2012, 04:55:50 pm »
I received this coin in a mix of uncleaned Greeks yesterday, and I love it already...

  I have no idea what it will clean up to be, if anything, but the counter mark is cool!

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #95 on: August 05, 2013, 04:26:24 pm »
A Parliament of 37 owls. I would call it an Athenian parliament of owls but it nearly caused a riot of feather pulling because three of the darlings are well, not Athenian.
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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #96 on: August 05, 2013, 04:53:03 pm »
A Parliament of 37 owls. I would call it an Athenian parliament of owls but it nearly caused a riot of feather pulling because three of the darlings are well, not Athenian.

Now that is what I call "Owl Power"!  Dare I say it, more collected wisdom there than any human parliament on earth today!

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #97 on: August 05, 2013, 05:34:51 pm »
A Parliament of 37 owls. I would call it an Athenian parliament of owls but it nearly caused a riot of feather pulling because three of the darlings are well, not Athenian.

Which three? I'd love to see an edited photo with red arrows to the three foreign-born owls with a comment as to how the foreign owls differ.

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #98 on: August 06, 2013, 07:39:08 am »
Row 4 , 2nd from the right, the recent Cicada imitation I wrote up very recently.

The other two on on the last row both end coins. I have written on the Left coin under Aetolia- Roma on both Forum and academia.edu, earlier this year, the other, now that I have a complete Thompson confirms my original thoughts that it is an imitation.  I shall be writing on this one soon, most interesting and perplexing  it is too.

Generally the style is OFF when compared to Athenian example , lots of dots , the cut of the letters, the owl often has goggle eyes, die axis shifts from 12 o'clock or just after. The Athena's hair is lank and the faces more pinched. The detail on the horse protomes and pegassos is not quite right.

Watch this space.

Thanks for the interest!

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Re: A Parliament of Owls
« Reply #99 on: February 01, 2015, 09:00:02 am »
Hye!

My little contribution to the parliament



449 / 430 BC
25,5mm / 17,16 grms ; coin axes 9h
Obverse: "Archaic style" head of Athena, wearing crested helmet ornamented with olive leaves and floral scroll.
Reverse: ΑΘΕ / Owl, olive twig, and crescent moon.
S. #2526.

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