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Numismatic and History Discussion Forums => Medieval, Islamic and Crusader Coins Discussion Forum => Topic started by: lv88 on June 16, 2005, 02:49:25 pm
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Hi Everyone,
I thought I would start a new topic similiar to the "Byzantine COTD". Post a coin you like, not neccesarily from your collection, and discuss it a bit.
Best,
Levon
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So silent post ...ok i add something: a couple of coins of Guglielmo II king of Sicily (1111-1127)
Follaro (= follis)
(http://www.lamoneta.it/gallery/albums/userpics/509follaro-w.jpg)
Trifollaro (=3 follis)
(http://www.lamoneta.it/gallery/albums/userpics/trifollaro.JPG)
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Hi,
Thanks for the post. I suppose this is one of those coins issued by christian rulers bearing Arabic. I take great interest in them. Keeping on the topic here is a Georgian coin bearing both Arabic and Georgian characters from a Baldwin Auction:
Queen T'amar, heavy large Fals, 27.5g, an irregular double planchet stamped twice each side, two obverses, two reverses, with parts of border legends visible, countermarked twice, once on each obverse impression (as Pachamov 2 and 6). Very fine.
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Yes they had half of population that was arab and also arab soldier of fortune in the army.
About the coin you posted ... i wonder how it was to have it into the pocket ;D
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(http://lordbest.napoleonicmedals.org/bohemond4th.JPG)
Bohemond IV. BI Denier. Antioch mint 1201-1233AD.
Obv. +BOAMVNDVS Head of Crusader left, wearing chainmail coif and helm with nasal, crescent in left field, star in right field.
Rev. +ANTIOCHIA Cross with crescent in second quarter.
Malloy ?, Metcalf ?. As struck.
Rare in this condition.
LordBest. 8)
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Hi all
Well Levon this is a good topic. Thanks for starting it.
I would also like to contribute.
Here we have an image of a historically important coin.
This is the first Ottoman Gold coin but also the first Islamic coin series minted in Qstantaniyye (Constantinople, Istanbul)
The first Gold coin and Islamic gold coin from Istanbul was actually minted in 882AH and this one is from 883AH. The condition is imaculate.
Here is the full ID. Ottoman AV Sultani, Mehmed II (The Conquere or the destroyer of the Byzantine Empire), 883AH, Qstanyaniyye.
Best wishes,
Burak
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Hi Burak,
Interesting coin, I saw it up for auction, and it was quite expensive. Hope you get it. : )
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Yes this coin if for offer right now. But I doubt I will get it. It is offered by my mentor. He offered this coin to me for 600 dollars but at this time I couldnt afford it now I wished I got a bankloan or an overdraft.
Burak
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I found myself in a similiar situation. The same seller was selling a bilingual dram, but, because I have just sent payment for another one, I could not afford it. I will post the image of the one I got in a day or so.
Best,
Levon
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I can finally post the bilingual I have been talking about. After a few mishaps with the USPS, I finally got this today:
Cilician Armenia, Hetoum I, AR Bilingual Dram (A.H. 639).
Obv. Equestrian king Hetoum holding a scepter. Cross fieldmark behind king. Surrounding inscription in Armenian:
" ՀԵԹՈՒՄ ԹԱԳԱՒՈՐ ՀԱՅՈՑ"
(Hetoum King of Armenians).
Rev. Three line inscription, and then a counterclockwise surrounding inscription (In Arabic):
" ﻢﻈﻋﻻﺍ ﻥﺎﻄﻠﺴﻟﺍ
ﻦﻳﺪﻟﺍﻭ ﺎﻴﻧﺪﻟﺍﺙﺎﻴﻏ
ﺩﺎﺒﻘﻴﻛ ﻦﺑ ﻭﺮﺴﺨﻴﻛ "
(The Sublime Sultan | Protector of the World and Faith | Kaikhusrew Son of Kaiqobad).
" ﻭ ﻊﺴﺗ ﺔﻨﺳ ﺲﻴﺴﺑ ﺏﺮﺿ
ﻦﻴﺜﻼﺛ
ﺔﺋﺎﻤﺘﺳ ﻭ "
( Struck in the City of Sis, in the Year Nine and | Thirty | and Six Hundred).
These are rare and beatiful pieces, and show superior calligraphic workmanship to their Seljuq counterparts. The reasons for issuing these are still unclear. Some suggest it was a token of Armenian suzernity to the Seljuqs, others a friendship treaty, and a recent theory suggests these were issued to facilitate trade with Seljuqs.
Enjoy, and I hope to see some coins from you guys.
Levon
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Levon
Your coin is very handsome and clearly well worth the wait. It is a good example of how the fact that it is holed does not impact its artistry.
I especially like the equestrian issues of Cilician Armenia.
John
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Thank you John!
It was a blessing to find the holed one. I originally found a really nice A.H. 641 dram for a higher price. When I called the seller he said that it was sold, though offered me this one at half the cost. Quite the luck!
Levon
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Hi LordBest,
It was in 1952 when I was able to buy a lot of aprox. 150 silver denars from Bohemundus. My fathers freind, an Italien Citicen found it in Italy. As he knows that I am collecting coins I could buy the whole lot. I have to ask for credit from my father. I was surprised that none of the coins are from the same die!!! All of them where well preserved (see the scan). How many coins they had produced at that time!?
I have still around 70 pieces in my collection, some a exchanged against greek bronze coins.
Regards
Roland
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Moderators, could this be made into a sticky topic ?
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Wow, and I thought I was lucky finding a hoard of six Bohemonds for sale! :o
LordBest. 8)
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Hi Everyone,
It has been a while since anyone posted any coins in this section - Lets see more participation come on! :)
Anyhow, this is a coin that I send payment for just today:
Shaddadids, Al-Fadl I bin Muhammad Shaddadi, minted in Janza (Gandzak), 400 AH/1009 AD, month of Muharram.
Debased AR Dirham.
19mm, 3.06grams.
The Shaddadids were a minor Kurdish dynasty in Armenia, ruling in various places from about 950 to the 1170s AD. Most coins of this dynasty, with one or two exceptions are extremely rare. This type is the most common because large hoard of these [with exact ruler,date, mint etc...] was found in the early 90's. These types are usually in poor shape, and this one is in better than average shape. These debased silvers formed local currency in Armenia and the surrounding Transcaucus regions.
Album - 1491
K.A. Mousheghian. Monetary Circulation In Armenia No. 187.
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Yes they had half of population that was arab and also arab soldier of fortune in the army.
If you meant Georgia and Georgian army, then sorry, probably you were wrong. I'm deeply interested in Georgian history and know for sure that some arabs maybe were living only in Tiflis, of course not constituting half of population. and of course there were no Arab mercenaries in Georgian army, rather North-Caucasians.
Regards,
I-xan
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Well, after ~8 years of collecting Wallachian and Moldavian coins, here are some of my favourite specimens:
-the first is a silver groschen (~20mm and 1g) issued by the Moldavian ruler Petru Musat (cca 1375-1391)
-second is a reformed groschen (~15mm and 0.5g) issued by the most popular Moldavian ruler, Stephen the Great (1357-1504).
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The next two coins are:
-an excellent silver ducat of the Wallachian ruler Mircea the Elder (1386-1418), depicting ruler standing holding tilted spear;
-a (still) unpublished divisionary nominal (ban, AR 11 mm 0.28g) attributable to the Wallachian ruler Vladislav II (1447-1448, 1448-1456), the only known ban from this ruler.
I hope you enjoyed them :)
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HI!
Nice pieces!
Best,
Levon
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Another Shaddadid aquisition I would like to share. For only two dollars, who could resist the bargain?
Shavur I bin al-Fadl, AR dirham, mint ?, date? 23 mm, 4.43 g.
Obverse Petal design with dots in the field. Surrounding inscription in Arabic. On outer margin an oddly decorated border.
ﻞﺭﻆﻔ ﻦﺒ ﺮﻭﺎﺸ ﻞﺟﻻﺍ ﺮﻳﻤﻻﺍ
"Al Amir, Al Ajal Shawur, bin Fadl."
The Emir, The Respectable Shavur, Son of Fadl.
Reverse Arabic inscription in an odd shaped border. Outer margin has Arabic, but unclear and mostly destroyed.
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ﺪﻤﺤﻣﻪﻠﻟﻻﺍﻪﻟﺍ
ﻪﻠﻟﺍﻝﻮﺳﺭ
ﻰﺑﻣﺎﻗﻠﺍ
ﻪﻟﻟﺍ
"La Ilah Ilaa llah Mohammad rasul Allah. al Qa'im billah."
There is no God but Allah, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. al-Qaim (name of caliph).
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Another Georgian COTD, an interesting piece -
Georgia, Queen Rusudan, AE
Image Courtesy I. Paghava
Obv. Georgian letters RSN for queens name and date koronikon 447 =1227 surrounding. Date is frozen on these coins.
Rev. Arabic four line inscription for queens name and titles.
al maleka almuluk walmalikat
jalaliddunia waddawlat waddine
Russdan bint Tamar zahhir Al
Masih a'aza llah Ansarahu
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Struck at about time of invasions of Jalal al-Din. Mint not on coin, but possible Tiflis or Kutaisi.
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Looks Byzantine at first sight, but ...
Arab-Byzantine, AE Half Follis (large module) (5,83g) of the SCYTHOPOLIS mint
These half folles are imitating the half folles of Justin II and Sophia of the Antioch mint.
Ref.: Yarmouk Num. vol. 1, (1989) no. 7
Amitai-Preiss, Berman, Quedar, "The coinage of Scythopolis-Baysan and Gerasa-Jerash"
in Israel Numismatic Journal. vol. 13, 1994-99, p. 133 ff. / pl. 19, B1
M. Oddy, ARAM vol. 6 (1994) p. 417, no. 9 ( ex Spink, Zurich, 20.06.1989, lot 195 )
( not in SICA )
Byzantiumcoins
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After a visit with Rugser in a Rome museum here's a cool pic:
Theodoricus 3 solidi coin
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Great coin but unfortunately not in reach for any of us :(
Solidi of Theoderic like the one below can be found now and then, I bought it on eBay as a regular Anastasius Solidus ;)
Byzantiumcoins
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3 rare baronial coppers of Levon II, all pulled out from one uncleaned accumulation lot.
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Here's a coin struck for SALAH AD-DIN YUSUF IBN AYYUB ("Righteousness of the Faith, Joseph, Son of Job") or Saladin:
Saladin, 1169-1193
AYYUBID: Saladin, 1169-1193, AR dirham (2.93), al-Qahira (modern day Cairo), AH586, A-787.2, clear mint & date, double struck, some horn-silvering; VF-EF.
I apologize for the quality of the photo; I shot it with a Sony video camera.
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Hi
Nice Yusuf coin you have there. I got one of the same mint. An unpublished 1/2 Dirham.
Ayyubids AR Half Dirhem Salah al-Din Al-Qahira ND, citing Al-Nasr
Weight, g: 1.5
Size, mm: 15
Mint: al-Qahira
Date: no date
Denomination: Half Dirham
Metal: AR
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Hi Burak,
Very nice coin.
Jim
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Gosdantin IV, countermaked takvorin, Star of David
Note the star of David countermark, such a countermark has been recorded only on 2 other coins from Cilician Armenia, both takvorins of Levon IV. This is unrecorded. According to Kurkman-Diler the countermark belongs to the beys of Alaiye, but this has been questioned.
Weight, g: 2.1
Size, mm: 20
Mint: Sis
Denomination: Takvorin
Metal: Debased AR or BI
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Hi Levon
This is truly a remarkable and important coin. Well done. Let me know if you dont like it anymore. ;D
Best wishes,
Burak
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Levon,
I agree with Burak, except . . . if you decide to part with your beautiful coin let ME know :).
Here is an AR dirham struck for Saladin:
SALAH AD-DIN YUSUF IBN AYYUB ("Righteousness of the Faith, Joseph, Son of Job"); 1169-1193, AR dirham (2.92g), Halab, AH580, A-788, lovely strike, well-centered & bold, Extremely Fine, Scarce; ex. Stephen Album.
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haha, thanks guys but, I think this will be a keeper for a while. ;D
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Alex,
Wow! Great coins, and the helmet is also amazing. :)
Jim
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Jim
This coin is great. I think the Islamic coins are far higher quality in design terms to the Western Medieval coins...
Brgds
Alex
Levon,
I agree with Burak, except . . . if you decide to part with your beautiful coin let ME know :).
Here is an AR dirham struck for Saladin:
SALAH AD-DIN YUSUF IBN AYYUB ("Righteousness of the Faith, Joseph, Son of Job"); 1169-1193, AR dirham (2.92g), Halab, AH580, A-788, lovely strike, well-centered & bold, Extremely Fine, Scarce; ex. Stephen Album.
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Here's one English piece I'm partial to from my own collection, partly because I got such a deal on it.
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/18271/edward%20iv%20groat%20london%20mint%20%282%29.jpg)
Edward IV groat, London mint. Could anybody get me a more accurate ID on it? I don't have Spinks...
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It looks like Edward IV, 1st reign, Class II groat, rose mintmark, North 1531 (1960 Ed). Spink (2003 Ed) 1973. I could be wrong though, since some of the details are extremely worn.
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I couldn't decide, so here's one of each, Medieval, Islamic and Crusader:
Saxon: King Cnut (Canute) 1017-1023, Penny
Abbasid Caliph: Al Qahir 932-934, Gold Dinar
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This is not actually a crusader coin, but it comes from a hoard deposited by crusaders near Thessalonika.
Naples: Charles II of Anjou, 1285-1309, AR Bigliato
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I couldn't decide, so here's one of each, Medieval, Islamic and Crusader:
Saxon: King Cnut (Canute) 1017-1023, Penny
Abbasid Caliph: Al Qahir 932-934, Gold Dinar
Great coins. I have seen your bottom one with the legend 'OFFA REX' across the middle - obviously King Offa of Mercia 9thAD reusing gold coinage or stamping some up for mediterranean trade.
Way cool.
Alex
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Hi This one that I have recently bought. Not gold Dinar of Offa but still a nice coin in my opinion. Offa Heavy coinage 1.35 grams .Moneyer Babba from the East Anglia Mints. By the way Alex B - nice coins.
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The top picture is of the obverse of another OFFA that I am hoping to buy soon and does not go with the BABBA
This is the pic of the obverse I should have posted. Sorry for the confusion.
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Dear coinagora
It looks to me like both your Offa's are Ashmore replicas. A list is provided in Spink Numismatic Circular April 2000; the coin with only the obverse picture seems to match number 16 in the list, while the other coin matches number 15
Regards
Allan
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Dear coinagora
It looks to me like both your Offa's are Ashmore replicas. A list is provided in Spink Numismatic Circular April 2000; the coin with only the obverse picture seems to match number 16 in the list, while the other coin matches number 15
Regards
Allan
!!!!!!!!!!! That is very worrying :-\
Alex
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Hi all
I have never previously been able to get a decent picture out of any digital camera I have tried, but recently I decided to splurge on a better one, a Canon EOS 400D body with a Sigma 50mm macro lens, and the first results are promising.
I have been experimenting on some of my Islamic pieces and attach a couple from the first batch which I think are pretty decent, both coins and pictures.
I would welcome comments on the coins, and suggestions for improvement of the pictures as well.
Best wishes
Alan
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Hi all
I have never previously been able to get a decent picture out of any digital camera I have tried, but recently I decided to splurge on a better one, a Canon EOS 400D body with a Sigma 50mm macro lens, and the first results are promising.
I have been experimenting on some of my Islamic pieces and attach a couple from the first batch which I think are pretty decent, both coins and pictures.
I would welcome comments on the coins, and suggestions for improvement of the pictures as well.
Best wishes
Alan
Hi Alan
Pretty good photos, silver and black coins are hard to get right. Couple of things, for portrait coins generally, you should have the lighting from above (north) of the coin so as to show the facial features, i dont think you have done that here. Also, subdue the light source a little by filtering it out, maybe a thin white cloth or hankerchief(s) or tissue? This will allow the light but soften it.
Rest assured getting it right is extremely frustrating. Even when you get the right conditions for one coin, they change for the next. I have resorted to a high-res scanner now. Not quite as good (but not far off) but consistent conditions.
Brgds
Alex
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Harold has a Roman bust style as well, even to useing the left-facing pose which is so common with the emperor bearing shield (if it is a shield) and another object (sceptre in this case).
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Hi Robert
You could say they all have a Roman-origin (and before that Greek:)), the Offa has more of a direct attempt at copying I feel, than the others. Thus the description 'Romanesqe'. The Harold II is considered a Germanic-style, with the beard and strong features and the Harold I just Anglo-Saxon... I think its armour not a shield.
Brgds
Alex
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Beautiful!!!
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This is not actually a crusader coin, but it comes from a hoard deposited by crusaders near Thessalonika.
Naples: Charles II of Anjou, 1285-1309, AR Bigliato
The correct denomination is gigliato, not bigliato
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Talking about saladin's rare coins,
It is the only coin which bears Saladin's
title Abu al-Muzaffar.
Bakkar
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Very interesting coin and no doubt rare indeed.
Brgds
Alex
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'Father of the - ?' What's a Muzaffar?
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Dear Robert
Abu (something), this is called "Laqab" (title) in Arabic.
"Abu " itself means the father or the owner .
for example: Abu al-Fawaris is a "laqab" which refers to a brave man.
The next case is Abu (somebody) which means the father of somebody like Abu al-Muzaffar .
(the father of the victor). al-Muzaffar was Saladin's son.
It is complicated a little but every Arabic man must have a "laqab".
Hope I have succeeded to reach the idea to you.
Best
Bakkar
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Got you. We're a bilingual family, so I'm used to the idea that different languages have very different ways of expressing things!
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No posts in a while, thought I would treat everyone to a little something. Here we go:
Cilician Armenia, Oshin (1308-1320), AR Coronation Tram
Obverse: +ԱՒՇԻՆ ԹԱԳԱՒՈՐ ՀԱՅՈՑ
Reverse: +ԿԱՐՈՂՈՒԹԲՆ ԱՅ Է
CCA1841V
Nercessian "Oshin" #19 - "Artistic Footstool" type below king. "Hand of God" as opposed to angel crowning king on obverse type as well.
Bedoukian "SNS Oshin" #64
These are fairly rare trams from this king, called "coronation" issues due to the fact that there is a hand of God next to the king's head, a "manus dei." While they take design after the more common Levon I drams, these are not. These coins from this ruler are excessively scarce and higher in silver content and weight than his takvorins showing an equestrian king and lion with cross behind walking, an example of which I also posted.
Size, mm: 22-22.5
Mint: -
Date: 1308-1309(?)
Denomination: [Coronation] Tram
Metal: AR
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HI
Very nice and interesting coin. You can see the design of Frankish/English coins in there too, thus demonstrating the generally homogenus nature of coinage in Christian Europe during the medieval period.
Brgds
Alex
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very rare Umayyad fals from al-Bab mint (in Armenia),
dated 115 AH .
Bakkar
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Also unpublished Abbasid fals from Armenia, dated 164AH.
Bakkar
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I'm more or less a newcomer to Medieval Islamic coinage.
I received this coin in the mail today.
I know it's a 6-dirham piece of Amir Wali, Album 2343.1 Type D.
The dealer on ebay listed this coin as dated AH 778.
My question is: where is the date? I can't read Arabic, but I can read the Arabic numerals. I don't seem to be able to find any on the coin.
Or is this a case where the actual date is written out in words, not numerals?
Any help is much appreciated.
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here is my medieval of the day, i got it in the mail this weekend. not rare but in beautiful shape.
FERDINAND I of Habsburg, king of Hungary AR17mm 0,7gr denar
Unger 745a 1529.
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:)
Duck
Umayyad AE Fals Duck Right 3.9g 16mm
Syria and Palestine no mint no date pictorial type 65-135AH
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Timurid AR Tanka 4.7g 31mm
Muhammad b. Husayn 903-906AH (countermark 904AH)
Baysunghur, 900-903 (host coin)
Mint Herat (host Bukara) 904AH
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Got this few month ago - Crusader denier . County of Jaffa .
Extremely rare coin .
Obv. : + ° DENARIVS ° . Cross.
Rev.: + ° lOPPENSIS ° . Gateway.
Anonymous Issue ( mid Thirteenth Century )
"Anonymous billon or copper deniers were struck for Jaffa , bearing a cross and a gateway as types , and the legends + ° DENARIVS ° /+ ° lOPPENSIS ° . Precisely when these anonymous coins were minted is a matter of speculation , for only one type is known from few specimens . They may possibly be roughly contemporary with the billon and copper deniers of Beirut and Tyre , therefore more likely belonging to the thirteenth century that to the twelfth . Prawer goes so far as to suggest that Gautier of Brienne ( 1221 - 1250 ) had them struck for his county ."
Coins of the Crusader States, by A. G. Malloy, I. F. Preston, and A. J. Seltman
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Aside from my Byzantine collecting interests, I also collect Eastern Medieval, Islamic, and Crusader coins. So, I figured I'll bridge the gap between the two forums by posting this coin from my collection:
Umayyad Caliphate, Arab-Byzantine: Anonymous (685-692 AD) Æ Fals, Hims (Emesa) Mint (SICA 1, 548; Album-3524; Walker-64)
Obv: Bust of Emperor (Constans II?), facing, wearing a diadem surmounted by cross, paludamentum, and cuirass; in his right hand he holds a globus with cross; at left, Greek ΚΑΛΟΝ (Good); at right, downward, Arabic بحمص (Emesa)
Rev: Large m; star between two wavy lines above; at left, EMI; at right, CHC; in exergue, Arabic طيب (Good)
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/36484/Walker-64.jpg)
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A copper fals from the Umayyad Caliphate similar to the dirhams that was issued during the post-reform period of the caliphate.
Umayyad Caliphate: Anonymous (738 AD) AE Fals, Wasit Mint (Walker-941; Lavoix-1522; Nützel 2049-2050; Album-205)
Obv: Within a double circle, لا اله الا الله وحده لا شرك له (There is no God but Allah alone. There are no others with him); five annulets enclosed in outer margin.
Rev: At center, محمد رسول الله (Muhammad is the apostle of Allah); in margin, بسم الله ضرب هذا الفلس بواسط سنة عشرين ومائة (In the name of Allah this fals was struck at Wasit in the year 20 and 100); double outer margin enclosing five annulets.
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/36484/normal_Walker-941.jpg)
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Here is a nice Georgian dirham combining Arabic and Christian elements together:
Georgia: Queen T'amar (1184-1213) AE dirham (Koronikov-420; Lang-11b) w. countermark #4
Obv: Bagratid royal emblem in the form of a standard; Georgian initials to left and right: ႧႰ=ႧამაႰ (T'amar) and ႣႧ=ႣავიႧ (David); Georgian initials on top left and top right: ႵႩ=ႵორონიႩონსა (Koronikonsa/Year); Georgian initials on bottom left and bottom right: ႯႩ=420
Rev: Christian inscriptions in arabic script; countermark #4
ملكة الملكات (Malekat al-Malekaat(s); Queen of Queens)
جلال الدنيا و الدين (Jellal Al-Dunya Wal Din; Glory of the World and Faith)
تامارابنة كوركى (Tamar Ibnat Kurki; T'amar daughter of Giorgi)
ظهير المسيح (Zahir Al-Massih; Champion of the Messiah)
The Georgian year is encoded using the "Paschal cycle". This dating system is based on the creation date being March 22, 5604 BC. From this date, they ran through a 532-year cycle. So, Year 1 was March 22, 5604 BC for the 1st cycle. And the 13th cycle's Year 1 was March 22, 781 AD. For years 346 to 532, add 780 to obtain the corresponding year in AD. The year starts off at March 22nd for each AD year. So, 420 + 780 = March 22, 1200 AD. For more information, please see Sweeny...
References:
Langlois, Victor, Numismatique de la Géorgie au Moyen Âge, A. Leleux, 1852
Пахомов, Евгений, Монеты Грузии, Мецниреба, 1970 (Pakhomov, Evgeny, Coins of Georgia, Metsnireba, 1970)
Sweeny, James O., Tempus in Nummis, Volume 1, Numismatics International, 1992
(https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/36484/normal_Georgia_Lang-11.jpg)
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Dear Colleagues,
What are your thoughts about this coin:
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Bob my Dear friend ,
I know you like to be perfect on your coin presentation
تمار ابنة كوركى
Should be : تامارابنة كوركى
Sam
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تمار ابنة كوركى
Should be : تامارابنة كوركى
Thanks you very much Sam. That is certainly a typo! ::). I'll fix the attributions accordingly. It is difficult for me to transcribe these coins when I can neither read nor write it in Arabic. Makes me wonder if I have other mistakes in the other coins I posted :-[. I'll have to go back and check the references to make sure...
Thanks again,
SpongeBob
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I almost knew it , but you are doing a good job.
I will send you a PM about another one.
Sam
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However Tamar can be written both way تمار and تامار
Both are correct , but what is written on the coin is تامار
That is why I said "I know you like to be perfect on your coin presentation" because I know you do +++
Sam
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Dear friends of medieval coins!
In 1251 the papal legate Odo of Châteauroux came to know that the Franks used to copy Dinars and Dirhems showing the name of Mohammed and his "year of birth". Since the legate was an experienced preacher and promoter of crusades, who accompanied Louis IX of France on the Seventh Crusade, he informed the pope about this "terrible habit". Innocent IV - he released a corresponding edict in 1253 - threatened anyone, who dares to mint further on such coins (in the "blasphemous name" of Mohammed) with excommunication. Thus over the following years Dirhems with AD date and christian inscribtions were minted.
Based on the Byzantine Solidus, the copies of Fatimid Dinars were named "Bezant".
1.
Jerusalem, Anonymous, Bezant, 2nd phase, imitating a dinar of the Fatimid caliph al-Amir, with mintname Misr (Egypt) and date 519h, 3.54g (BY 19-22 var.; CCS 3; A 730).
2.
Lead seal of Innocent IV
SPA = Sanctus Paulus, SPE = Sanctus Petrus. This side never changed.
3.
Jerusalem, Anonymous, Silver Dirham, Acre, 1251, Christian legends in Arabic script on both sides, small cross in centre of obverse, 2.70g (BY 45; CCS 15; Metcalf 229-231).
The "cross side":
ا لله واهد هو
الإيمان+واهد
المعموديّى واهد
ALLAH WAHID HU(WA)
AL IMAM + WAHID
AL-MA'MUDIYYA WAHID
Allah allone (one) He is
The faith + one
The babtism one
(One god, one faith, one babtism)
Rim:
ضرب باكّا سنة الف و مئتين و احد و خمسين
(duriba bi-akka sanat alf wa mi'atain wa ahad wa khamsin)
Minted in Acre year thausand and two hundred and one und fifty
Allegedly "LITAJASSUD (of the birth of the messiah)" should follow.
The other side:
الاب و الابن
و الروح القدس
الاه واحد
al-Ab wa al-Bin
wa al-Ruh al-Quds
Ilah wahid
The father and the son / and the holy ghost / one god
Rim:
LAHU AL-MAJD / ILA ABAD / AL-ABADIN / AMIN AMIN
To him is the glory for ever and ever Amen Amen
4.
Pseudo imitation of the Dirhem of the Ayyubid sultan as-Salih Ismail (Dimashq) with frozen AD date (1253)
Ob:
الملك الصالح
عماد الدنيا و الدين
اسمعيل بن أبي بكر
al-Malik as-Salih
Imad ad-Dunya wa 'd-Din
Isma'il bin Abi Bakr
Rim:
بسم / الله / الرحمن / الرحيم
(bism/illah/i r-rachman/i r-rachim)
Rv:
الامام
المستنصر
بالله ابو جعفر
المنصور امير المؤمنين
al-Imam
al-Mustansir
billah Abu Ja'far
al-Mansur Amir al-Mu'minin
Rim:
ضرب بدمشق سنة الف و مئتين وثلث و خمسين
(Duriba bi-Dimashq / sanat alf wa / mi'atain wa thelath / wa khamsin)
Minted in Dimashq year thausand and two hundred and three und fifty
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