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Offline Zbigniew S

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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #75 on: August 15, 2011, 07:11:51 am »


Trebizond follis type I, 1080-1110? diameter 22,5/24,2 mm, weight 3,31 gr. struck by Teodor Gabras.
Av. Bust of Christ, bearded and nimbate, wearing tunic and kolobion; holds Gospel in left hand.
Rv. Leaved cross, with pellets at ends, all within border of large globules.
Lit. DOC t. IV tabl. XXV nr 1. Sear.  Byzantine coins... nr – Grierson tabl. 58 nr 1002.
One of the rarests byzanitne coins known from one piece in a private collection (Numismatic Chronicle 1977, Pl.6.1).
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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #76 on: March 13, 2012, 05:25:51 pm »
Andronikos III, Palaeologos. 1328-1341. AE Trachy (1.17 gm). Thessalonika mint. Half-length bust of St. Demetrios facing / Andronikos standing facing, holding patriarchal cross in either hand.  I have it,in perfect condicion...very rare???

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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #77 on: March 13, 2012, 05:59:42 pm »
Picture?

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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #78 on: March 14, 2012, 01:56:38 pm »
I will send soon az posibble :)

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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #79 on: May 14, 2012, 04:27:14 pm »
I would like to share with you my POLITIKON coin
overstuck  on a denier.

Regards Paleologos.

LPC 180.1 S.2570
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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #80 on: August 24, 2012, 05:35:01 pm »
mine is not exactly rare either but i think it is a very neat coin because i fully cleaned it on my birthday! today it is a justinian II and sophia follis from nicomedia sear#369 :<a href='http://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?vpar=810&pos=0' target='_blank'>Chi-Rho</a>:
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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #81 on: October 28, 2012, 02:04:26 am »
Hi !
I`m Strategos from Ukraine.
I have many of interesting Byzantine coins.
This is my POLITIKON coins.
Sear 2581   14-15 mm, 0,52 g
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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #82 on: November 03, 2012, 05:36:29 pm »
1/8th basilikon variation.
 :Greek_Beta: at the intersection of the cross.

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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #83 on: November 03, 2012, 06:19:44 pm »
Hello Paleologos,

Rare variation!
 
I have a question - why did you think it's a 1/8 basilikon?
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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #84 on: November 05, 2012, 09:15:55 pm »
 Byzantine Coin
 Philip Grierson
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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #85 on: November 06, 2012, 12:15:09 am »
Interesting coin Paleologos, quite rare I agree.

Stefan Joppich helped me attribute this worn billion tornese, bought it in a group lot form Forum 4 yrs of so ago rather cheaply,  coming to the conclusion of it being a anonymous politikon issue. SBVC 2584.

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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #86 on: November 06, 2012, 03:53:54 am »
 :) OK, my dear friend: ))))
Let's summarize the conclusion:

The name "1/8 basilikon" = "8 stamini"= denomination with unknown to us name.
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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #87 on: November 06, 2012, 10:50:37 am »
Interesting coin Paleologos, quite rare I agree.

Stefan Joppich helped me attribute this worn billion tornese, bought it in a group lot form Forum 4 yrs of so ago rather cheaply,  coming to the conclusion of it being a anonymous politikon issue. SBVC 2584.

cw

Yes SBVC 2584
rare coin

 i've seen it in your gallery long time ago
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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #88 on: November 06, 2012, 04:03:11 pm »
Quote from: Orthodoxcoins on November 06, 2012, 03:53:54 am
:) OK, my dear friend: ))))
Let's summarize the conclusion:

The name "1/8 basilikon" = "8 stamini"= denomination with unknown to us name.



Exactly!
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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #89 on: November 07, 2012, 03:53:30 am »
OK! But .... is this a reason to name every Comnenan electrum aspron trachy "1/3 hyperpyron"?
Or Comnenan billon aspron trachys "1/48 or 1/120 or 1/184 hyperpyron"? ;D

We need name for every different denomination. For a better understanding of the Byzantine coinage.
If the weight of basilikon is 2 g of silver, and if we have coin 0.25 g of silver - it will be 1/8 basilikon.
When we have other coin made by billon alloy, and weight about 1.20 g, with silver content of 0.25 g, then this coin is a different denomination.
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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #90 on: November 07, 2012, 01:44:03 pm »
So which names  you suggest we should give them?

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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #91 on: November 07, 2012, 03:59:26 pm »
Not me! I'm too "small": )))
Bendall in LPC (36), in PCPC (94b), Sear 2327 var., and Greirson (558, 559) suggests the name "Billon Tornesi",
and only Grierson - as the second name - offers (1/8 basilicon).
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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #92 on: November 08, 2012, 02:23:59 pm »
I understand , your question is why we should call these coins 1/8 of a basilikon and not a billon tornesi  as most references do.
 
I believe it is not a mistake to call these coins 1/8 of a basilikon since according to the historical sources  the value of LPC 36.4  etc.  is equal to  the 1/8 of a basilikon and it was used in the commercial transactions as such.
The apparition of this denomination coincides with the basilicon coin and the references mention it also as such (1/8 of a basilikon).
 
I take it I don’t confuse the board when I call this specific billon tornese an 1/8 of a b.  Certainly I don’t intend to find other names for other billon tornese of different weight and silver pourcentage, as this would be extremely confusing.

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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #93 on: January 22, 2013, 09:08:29 am »
Hi, one of the new additions in my collection.
Andronicus I Gidon Comnenus.
Trachy, the Empire of Trebizond 1222-1235,  1,89 g., Sear 2599.
St. Andronicus?, nimbate, standing on the obverse holding a spear and shield with the legend A/N/ΔP/O-NI/KO/C.
Rev. MHP – QV and  KO/M\H/NC-OΓ/ΔO/N The Virgin, nimbate, standing facing on dais, holding the bust of beardless Christ to her breast.
Сoin before cleaning  https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=84840.0


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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #94 on: March 31, 2013, 04:18:16 pm »
Hi all !
I present to you a new coin from my collection.
Heraclius, Heraclius Constantine and Martina, AE follis or 8 pentanummia, Cherson, 616-624 AD. Heraclius on left and Heraclius Constantine, shorter, on right, both standing facing, each wearing crown and chlamys and holding cross on globe / Large H (= 8) to right of which stands Martina (?) facing, holding long P-headed cross. DOC 311; MIB 265; Sear 926.
There is a hypothesis that the coin is not minted in Сherson, in the Bosporus.
Found on the territory of Bosporus.

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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #95 on: April 01, 2013, 05:02:31 am »
That's a very nice and rare coin, Strategos. Thanks for showing us.

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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #96 on: May 16, 2013, 09:01:04 am »
Sear 2410.
18mm 0.82 g
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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #97 on: May 16, 2014, 07:34:26 am »
Andronicus II Palaeologus, with Michael IX. 1282-1328. AR Basilikon or Weight for Basilika Constantinople mint. Andronicus and Michael standing facing, holding patriarchal cross between them / +XAP/AGMACEP/ TOKAT AB/OLIKVBD/LLV in five lines across field. Bendall, Weights 22; PCPC 383


The legend on the reverse of these coins translates as “Money from the Sacred Mint discredits false coin,” which seems to suggest that they are coin weights. The fact that they are left out of DOC V reinforces this view. However, the basilikon was introduced by Andronicus as a new silver denomination, and the legend may also imply that these types were the first. Bendall noted that the weights of the known examples are all slightly higher than the standard Basilikon of 2.4g. Thus, these issues could possibly be a trial run at a slightly higher weight, one that was discounted in favor of the lower weight types that became the standard issue.source :CNG
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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #98 on: June 26, 2014, 09:15:17 am »
The Empire of Thessalonica Uncertain Thessalonican Attribution

Billon Trachy (BI, 1.65 g). Winged arm holding sword to left;three stars. Rev. St. Demetrius and Emperor standing facing, holding sword between them.   S. 2226.


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Re: Rare Byzantine coins in your collection
« Reply #99 on: June 27, 2014, 03:04:38 pm »
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