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Offline bpmurphy

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I think the world has gone nuts
« on: February 08, 2012, 01:49:04 pm »
Someone just paid over $700,000 (including the buyer's fee) for a Caracalla and Plautilla Aureus. Rare, yes. Nice, yes. $700,000?????????

It must be nice to have too much money.

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2012, 02:03:47 pm »
Sometimes you can only sheik your head.
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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2012, 02:13:27 pm »
On another level, the following just sold for around 1800$ with fees. Nice coin but, unless there's something I do not see,... (I have some pretty coins too, if someone wants to go wild  ;) ;) :-* )

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2012, 02:33:14 pm »
Sometimes you can only sheik your head.

lol!
obviously people with more dollars than sense.

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2012, 02:41:41 pm »
I've attended the auction online: never seen another like this one!

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2012, 02:43:36 pm »
Sometimes you can only sheik your head.

Bingo......or so the rumor goes.

Btw I also saw that Constantine this morning when it had 13 bids and was over $1,000....... pretty coin..........pretty incredible price.

BR

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2012, 02:46:19 pm »
Sometimes you can only sheik your head.

I hope not. Since in the past he has limited his buying to Greek and only the occassional Roman coin. If he starts collecting Roman too there will be nothing left to buy.

Barry

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2012, 03:12:52 pm »
Sometimes you can only sheik your head.

I hope not. Since in the past he has limited his buying to Greek and only the occassional Roman coin. If he starts collecting Roman too there will be nothing left to buy.

Barry

I'm earnestly hoping he gets an interest in RR bronzes. I have more than enough of them.

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2012, 07:22:31 am »
In the past months I have been thinking what would happen when all this Goldman-Sachs/Hedgefond money, often freshly printed by the Fed for 0% interest, pours into the coin market. Now we have apparently a first glimpse at that. Also in my area of interest, Byzantine coins, the very nice specimens are now sold at prices reminiscent of the art market rather than the coin market. The top pieces fetch unbelievable sums, whereas very nice rarities which are more a specialist's matter can still be bought.

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2012, 07:39:58 am »
What goes up,comes down.

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2012, 08:00:39 am »
In the past months I have been thinking what would happen when all this Goldman-Sachs/Hedgefond money, often freshly printed by the Fed for 0% interest, pours into the coin market. Now we have apparently a first glimpse at that. Also in my area of interest, Byzantine coins, the very nice specimens are now sold at prices reminiscent of the art market rather than the coin market. The top pieces fetch unbelievable sums, whereas very nice rarities which are more a specialist's matter can still be bought.

byzcoll

Now that there seems to be little relationship between a coins typical price range, and the new, eye popping prices many coins seems to be achieving, I wonder how much money laundering is going on in these auctions.

It is known to occur in the best of times, these days it seems like a fertile opportunity for "funny business"

BR

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2012, 08:01:45 am »
What goes up,comes down.
Or settles into a comfortable orbit. As one who was witness to the insanity, I am left shocked, confused, and more than a little bit angry.

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2012, 09:22:05 am »
It seem that we are in another world, the ancient coin market went really wild, I guess I havent won any thing from that Auction, I went three times the over the start bid but sure I havent won any thing, it needs more than one person to hit that price, and I think all of us knows who are they, and I wonder if there will be any thing left for any one to buy.
hope things will change, it is not fun any more, when you see the collectors in NY sales this year and last year you will really feel sad, dealers are getting good prices for sure, but still they are not having fun.

 

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2012, 09:54:41 am »
This is the 1970s all over again. Bunker Hunt paying silly prices for attractive but very common Solidi. Altough you need two persons to make a high bid, a single dedicated (fanatical) collector can have this effect on the market in that he forces everyone else to bid to their max then overbids them, and what he does not bid on is subject to much more competition. There will be a correction.

The wise advise for knowledgeable collectors in this climate is to focus on the genuine rarities but accept a ding, nick or bit of flatness as the price for getting good value coins. So, at an auction last year an FDC but extremely common quadrigatus sold for CHF 200,000; its 'normal' price would be CHF 5,000 to 10,000. At the same sale an EF corn-ear quadrigatus, an extremely rare type, and a slightly weak strike as most such coins are, sold for CHF 2,000, which is actually less than the normal price for such pieces. The buyer of the corn-ear quadrigatus paid a very fair price and it will be a solid store of value. The buyer of the common quadrigatus will be lucky to realise 5% of what he paid should he try to sell it. So, genuine expertise beats barrels full of petrodollars any day.

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2012, 11:58:24 am »
Which auction was this? I guess I was asleep.

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2012, 12:20:01 pm »
Which auction was this? I guess I was asleep.

Ben


Were you ready to pay CHF 210,000 for a common quadrigatus? You really missed out if you were. Set your alarm next time I guesss!

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2012, 12:44:41 pm »
I'm not willing to pay it but I too would like to know which auction it was.  It's an interesting discussion and I'd love to watch one of these in action but as a newbie I don't really know where to look (I think I'm safe in assuming we are not talking about ebay or the FORVM members auctions...although they did say changes were coming).

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2012, 01:00:54 pm »
"Imagines Imperatorvm" by Aureo & Calicò in Barcelona (Spain).

Here is the link to the lots, enjoy :D:

http://www.aureo.com/en/precios_realizados/0241-1

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2012, 01:25:59 pm »
"Imagines Imperatorvm" by Aureo & Calicò in Barcelona (Spain).

Here is the link to the lots, enjoy :D:

http://www.aureo.com/en/precios_realizados/0241-1

OK that wasn't the auction I was thinking of.

50,000 euros for an EF+ rare aureus is not unusual today. High but not excessive. So far as I know, no-one on this list owns such quality coins so I guess we are unaffected. I wonder was it Calico's own collection - he wrote the book on gold aurei after all.

I own a few aurei; my example below hardly compares to the 50,000++ euro Calico example under it.


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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2012, 01:28:35 pm »
Thanks for the link FlaviusDomitianus!

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2012, 01:39:09 pm »
The following very rare dynastic denarius type of Caracalla and Septimius Severus sold at its low estimate of 200 euros. It seems a nice and interesting coin for the price.

That. to me, means that ordinary collectors are not being affected by this race to the top. We can still find rare coins at pocket money prices.

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2012, 01:41:23 pm »
"Imagines Imperatorvm" by Aureo & Calicò in Barcelona (Spain).

Here is the link to the lots, enjoy :D:

http://www.aureo.com/en/precios_realizados/0241-1

Thanks!

I don't see the Constantine Dafne there - was that in the same auction?

Ben

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2012, 01:51:15 pm »
"Imagines Imperatorvm" by Aureo & Calicò in Barcelona (Spain).

Here is the link to the lots, enjoy :D:

http://www.aureo.com/en/precios_realizados/0241-1

Thanks!

I don't see the Constantine Dafne there - was that in the same auction?

Ben


No, C*G ;)

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2012, 02:35:06 pm »
Btw, these 2 sold for almost 1600$ each. Some people really like the upward gazing look...

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Re: I think the world has gone nuts
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2012, 02:45:50 pm »
Btw, these 2 sold for almost 1600$ each. Some people really like the upward gazing look...

Holy cr*p! If anyone knows sheik yerbouti, tell him to give me a call!

Ben

 

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