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Offline Leon S

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Need help with identification of Roman Republican coin
« on: February 05, 2020, 09:13:54 pm »
Hello.
Please help to identify the coins:
AS (33.6 g.), quadrants (5.3 g.) and sextants (5.3 g.). It's looks like they are not listed in Crawford catalog.

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Re: Need help with identification of Roman Republican coin
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2020, 03:46:16 am »
Hi LS,

You are supposed to post only one coin per thread.

The last coin reminds me of the Sicily types, but the "KA" is located in the wrong place. It is supposed to be at right, as in Cr. 69/6a. Are there any known varieties where it is above the prow?

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Re: Need help with identification of Roman Republican coin
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2020, 07:29:40 pm »
Hi.
Thank you for your reply. I am new to this forum and found out about 1 coin per request after my post. I am very surprised that no replies except yours. I am pretty familiar with Crawford catalog, but some things is under question. In catalog sometimes (for a certain year or years of issue) listed denarius, semis, triens and so on, but as is missing. For me is very interesting is the as denomination was never produced or its so rare that is missing from all hoards?
Or some denominations with unknown letters - are they a variations of known issues or private issues?
Still many questions unanswered.   
Thanks anyway for your suggestion.
Regards, Leon

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Re: Need help with identification of Roman Republican coin
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2020, 08:46:33 pm »
If you have a copy of Crawford,  several of your questions are addressed there.

You should not be surprised that you received one reply, from an enthusiastic and helpful board member, in just over a day.  Numismatic research is not instantaneous; questions as to "whether" a coin is not included in a major catalog are always going to be fairly complex.  There have been several publications by specialists who have adjusted or added to Crawford, but these are not instantly available.  Learning about those updated ideas is one of the joys of numismatic collecting that goes beyond identifying a single coin.

  As Meepzorp points out, at least one of your coins presents an odd variation.   To my eye, the photos show reasonably well preserved specimens, which raises my question:  How did the sellers(s) describe these coins?    (Which you should answer after reposting the coins separately, as Meepzorp noted.)
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Re: Need help with identification of Roman Republican coin
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2020, 11:16:44 pm »
Hello. Thanks for your reply. I purchased the lot of 16 bronzes as a lot and it was simply described as Roman Republican coins. Some of them I identified in Crawford catalog. Look like this lot with full of surprises, because half of them looks like are private production, unlisted or unknown varieties.
I'll re-post them with a single coin per post.
Regards, Leon

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Re: Need help with identification of Roman Republican coin
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2020, 01:41:13 pm »
All of the coins shown above have been altered in modern times by tooling by someone who knows little about Roman Republic bronzes attempting to make rare varieties out of common coins. Likely the whole lot is full of toolies if, as you say, it is seemingly full of rare and unpublished varieties. You should return them to whoever you bought them from and demand a refund, and probably report the person as a fakeseller. No excuse for selling this garbage.
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Re: Need help with identification of Roman Republican coin
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2020, 02:16:12 pm »
Hello.
Please help to identify the coins:
AS (33.6 g.), quadrants (5.3 g.) and sextants (5.3 g.). It's looks like they are not listed in Crawford catalog.

All tooled fakes

The As with L is tooled from a mid second century issue such as OPEI

The "quadrans" is a Crawford 38/7 uncia

The "KA" coin is funnily tooled from the right series (Corn-ear and KA) but the KA is in the wrong place and wrong style

I'd consider these fakes - they were not tooled to improve but tooled to deceive

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Re: Need help with identification of Roman Republican coin
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2020, 02:18:14 pm »
Hello. Thanks for your reply. I purchased the lot of 16 bronzes as a lot and it was simply described as Roman Republican coins. Some of them I identified in Crawford catalog. Look like this lot with full of surprises, because half of them looks like are private production, unlisted or unknown varieties.
I'll re-post them with a single coin per post.
Regards, Leon

Would be fun to see them all in case there are other problem coins

I do not agree with the Forum rule saying post all separately because they need to be compared with each other - they are related, created by a single person. So am hoping you continue to post them here as I'm unlikely to comment if done on a one per thread basis.

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Re: Need help with identification of Roman Republican coin
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2020, 03:52:24 pm »
Thank you for your valuable opinion.
I bought them as a lot on one well known Austrian auction. Nobody is safe.

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Re: Need help with identification of Roman Republican coin
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2021, 06:27:39 pm »
Hello. Thanks for your reply. I purchased the lot of 16 bronzes as a lot and it was simply described as Roman Republican coins. Some of them I identified in Crawford catalog. Look like this lot with full of surprises, because half of them looks like are private production, unlisted or unknown varieties.
I'll re-post them with a single coin per post.
Regards, Leon

Would be fun to see them all in case there are other problem coins

I do not agree with the Forum rule saying post all separately because they need to be compared with each other - they are related, created by a single person. So am hoping you continue to post them here as I'm unlikely to comment if done on a one per thread basis.

This is the rule. I think if you read the whole rule, you will find there is an exception that applies...

3. ONE coin per thread. Do not post groups of coins unless you only want opinions on the whole group and not the individual coins in the group. Another exception is if posting multiple coins provides evidence that the coins are fake, post all the coins. 
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