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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2009, 08:27:50 am »
This is very normal in Judaean coins to have part of the script, for example YHODEM, can found some times , DYM, YDEM, YHDM, HDEM, and some other forms, actually it is hard to find the complete YHODEM in those coins, I will be working with Hendin in his new book that will see the light next year, and will go through all the ancient Hebrew script, and will pint that out.
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2009, 07:18:11 pm »
Heres a new one (both sides, at least.  Sorry, not complete script!).  H. 469 Alexander Jannaeus.

"OBV. YNTN HMLḤ (יהונתן המלך)"
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2009, 08:20:46 pm »
Here's an unusual one, known from a single die. The obverse is as normal. The reverse inscription is HMLK CHN: The King [and] Priest, or maybe The Priest-King; I'm not sure which is the better translation. As usual, we can only guess the reason for the inscription, but it can't be a simple engraver's mistake.
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2009, 12:45:25 pm »
Might be transition from king to priest.  Many overstruck Jannaeus coins are thought to have been changed to show that he was pro-Sadducee.  He might have been trying to show that he was a king; later, not only a king, but a priest to satisfy the Saducees; and latest, just priest.

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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2009, 05:58:53 pm »
Nobody was ever in any doubt that he was a priest. He married the very powerful widow of his brother Aristobulus, Alexandra Salome, who gave him the titles of High Priest and King. His problem was that he was more interested in ruling as a king, on the Greek model, than in being a priest. He didn't observe the rituals as the Pharisees thought he should, and this was a major contributor to the outbreak of civil war. He may have changed his coin inscriptipon to Yonatan to appease them (he certainly followed a much more pro-Pharisee policy after a negotiated peace), but nobody really knows.
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2009, 04:59:46 pm »
I guess your right.  ;)
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2009, 04:52:11 pm »
Heres another Hyrcanus I, just for a little variety.  

John Hyrcanus I (Yehohanan), 134 - 104 B.C.
Type N in AJC, Hendin 1133 (457),  choice VF+, 1.55 CM.  
Jerusalem mint, obverse Hebrew inscription, Yehohanan the High Priest and Council of the Jews, surrounded by wreath; reverse double cornucopia adorned with ribbons, pomegranate between horns, Faded Monogram (Because of the dark patina on the reverse, you cannot see it, but there is a small bump in the monogram area, and it appeared diring shadings.); very rare full script.  

The ancient Hebrew script says
NNḤWHY     =   Yehohanan
H          =   the
NHK     =    Priest
LDGH   =     high
V         =    and  
RBḤ =  Council
H      = the
MYDHY = Jews.

The coin reads like this (Same highlight colors)
NNḤWHY
DGHNHKH
HRBḤVL
MYDHY
OR
:Judean_nun_3: :Judean_nun_3: :Judean_het_1: :Judean_waw_1: :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_yad_4:
 :Aramaic_gimel: :Judean_gimel_1: :Judean_nun_3: :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_kaf_1: :Judean_hey_3:
 :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_rosh_2: :Judean_beyt_2: :Judean_het_1: :Judean_waw_7: :Judean_lam_1:
 :Judean_mah_2: :Judean_yad_2: :Judean_daleth: :Judean_hey: :Judean_yad_1:

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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2010, 06:47:20 pm »
It means 'the Council of the Jews'. It's probably a safe bet that this is the Hebrew equivalent of the Greek sunedrion, or sanhedrin.
Are you sure thats not SYNEDRION, lowercase synedrion, not sunedrion/SUNEDRION,?
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2010, 04:16:47 pm »
Quite sure, I just checked!
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2011, 12:50:07 pm »
John Hyrcanus I (Yehohanan), 134 - 104 B.C.
Type S in AJC, Hendin 1137 (460).
Jerusalem mint, obverse Hebrew inscription, Yehohanan the High Priest and Head of the Council of the Jews, surrounded by wreath; reverse double cornucopia adorned with ribbons, pomegranate between horns.

The ancient Hebrew script says
NN(ḤH)WHY = Yehohanan
H = the
NHK = Priest
LDGH = High
R'S = Head
RB(HH) = Council
H = the
MYD[HY] = Jews.

 :Judean_vau_1: :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_yad_2:
 :Judean_nun_2: :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_kaf_1: :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_nun_3: :Judean_nun_3: :Judean_het_1:
 :Judean_shin_1: :Judean_alef_5: :Judean_rosh_3: :Judean_lam_1: :Judean_daleth_2: :Judean_gimel_1:
 :Judean_yad_2: :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_rosh_3: :Judean_beyt_3: :Judean_het_1:
 :Judean_daleth_2:
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2011, 01:13:36 pm »
John Hyrcanus I (Yehohanan), 134 - 104 B.C.
Palm branch upright, flanked by Hebrew legend (Yehohanan the High Priest and Head of the Council of the Jews) / Lily, three dot monogram in left. AJC I, group T; Hendin 1138 (461).

The ancient Hebrew script says
NNḤWHY = Yehohanan
NHK = Priest
LDGH = High
R'S = Head
H = the
RBḤ =  Council
H = the
MYDHY = Jews.
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2011, 01:23:06 pm »
John Hyrcanus I (Yehohanan), 134 - 104 B.C.
Bronze prutah, Meshorer TJC E29, Hendin Bronze prutah, Meshorer TJC E29, Hendin 1139 (464), VF, Jerusalem mint, 2.02g, 14.0mm, 0°, obverse Hebrew inscription, Yehonanan the High Priest...,surrounded by wreath; reverse double cornucopia adorned with ribbons, pomegranate between horns, Crude example, script cut off of the die.

 :Judean_waw_7: :Judean_hey_1: :Judean_yad_2:
 :Judean_kaf_2: :Judean_hey_2: :Judean_nun_3: :Judean_nun_3: :Judean_het_1:
 :Judean_daleth: :Judean_gimel_1: :Judean_nun_3: :Judean_hey_2:
 :Judean_lam_1: :Judean_waw_7:

The ancient Hebrew script says
NNḤWHY     =   Yehohanan
NHK     =    Priest
LWDG   =     high
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2011, 01:33:53 pm »
Judean Kingdom, John Hyrcanus I (Yehohanan), 134 - 104 B.C.

Bronze prutah, Hendin 1140 (463), Meshorer TJC Group E, AJC I Group L, VF, reverse off center, Jerusalem mint, 1.98g, 13.6mm, 0°, obverse Hebrew inscription, Yehonanan the High Priest and the Council of the Jews, surrounded by wreath; reverse double cornucopia adorned with ribbons, pomegranate between horns.

 :Judean_waw_7: :Judean_hey_1: :Judean_yad_2:
 :Judean_gimel_1: :Judean_hey_1: :Judean_nun_3: :Judean_nun_3: :Judean_het_1:
 :Judean_daleth_2: :Judean_gimel_1: :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_nun_3: :Judean_hey_3:
 :Judean_beyt_2: :Judean_het_1: :Judean_waw_7: :Judean_lam_1:

The ancient Hebrew script says
NNḤWHY = Yehohanan
H = the
NHK = Priest
LDGH = High
W = and
[R]BḤ = council...

ADMIN CORRECTION/NOTE: The inscription above and the coin below are the same except for the form of the paleo-Hebrew letter hey. The form above :Judean_hey_3: is found on Hendin 1140. The form hey on the coin below :Judean_hey_2: or :Judean_hey_1: is found on Hendin 1139. Both types have crude angular letters and many errors. The coin below, with a crude hey, appearing as an arrow pointed upward, is an example of Hendin 1139.
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2011, 01:48:22 pm »
Alexander Jannaeus (Yehonatan), 103 - 76 B.C.

Bronze prutah, Meshorer TJC R13, Hendin 1146 (475), gVF, Jerusalem mint, 1.58g, 14.2mm, 0°, obverse Hebrew inscription, Yehonatan the High Priest and the Council of the Jews, cursive style script, within wreath; reverse double cornucopia adorned with ribbons, pomegranate between horns; reverse off center.

 :Judean_taw_1: :Judean_nun_3: :Judean_waw_1: :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_yad_4:
 :Judean_daleth: :Judean_gimel_2: :Judean_nun_3: :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_kaf_3: :Judean_nun_3:
 :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_rosh_3: :Judean_beyt_2: :Judean_het_1: :Judean_waw_7: :Judean_lam_1:
 :Judean_waw_1: :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_yad_4:

The ancient Hebrew script says
NTNWHY =  Yehonatan
NHK = Priest
LDGH = high
W = and
RBḤ = council
[MYD]WHY = Jews.
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2011, 01:49:03 pm »
Wow! that was fast.  Thanks!  I was working on reading an 1137 and your post on the type was very helpful.  
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2011, 06:14:21 pm »
Wow! that was fast.  Thanks!  I was working on reading an 1137 and it was your post on the type was very helpful.  
Glad I could help! :)

John Hyrcanus I (Yehohanan), 134 - 104 B.C.

Bronze prutah, Hendin 1135 (453), Meshorer TJC Group D, AJC I Group P, Jerusalem mint. Obverse Hebrew inscription, Yehonanan the High Priest and Council of the Jews, surrounded by wreath; reverse double cornucopia adorned with ribbons, pomegranate between horns.

 :Judean_vau_1: :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_yad_2:
 :Judean_nun_3: :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_kaf_3: :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_nun_3: :Judean_nun_3: :Judean_het_1:
 :Judean_vau_2: :Judean_lam_1: :Judean_daleth_2: :Judean_gimel_3: :Judean_hey_3:
 :Judean_yad_2: :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_rosh_1: :Judean_beyt_2: :Judean_het_1:
 :Judean_yad_3: :Judean_daleth:

The ancient Hebrew script says
NNḤWHY = Yehonatan
H = the
NHK = Priest
H = the
LDG = high
W = and
RBḤ = council
H = the
[M]YD[H]Y = Jews.
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2011, 04:27:04 pm »
Hyrcanus I  Hendin 1141

Courtesy of Salem Alshdaifat:

it reads

(HH)WHY
NHK H NN
B(HH)W LD
DY

from right to left
 YHWHNN ( Yehohanan)
H (The)
 KHN ( Priest)
 LD ( Short of GDOL ,  high)
 W (And)
B (HH)  (short of Haber which means the Council)
 DY ( short of YHWDEM which means the Jews)

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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2012, 10:42:51 am »
If anyone has some free time and the ability there are quite a few more types that could be included in this thread and would be very helpful.  The missing Hendin numbers that would be most useful follow:
1142
1145 [NOTE: ALREADY ON PAGE 1]
1160
1161
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2012, 11:05:37 am »
Hendin 1142 (466).

Judah Aristobulus (Yehuda), 104 - 103 B.C.
Jerusalem mint, obverse Hebrew inscription, Yehuda the High Priest and Head of the Council of the Jews, surrounded by wreath; reverse double cornucopia adorned with ribbons, pomegranate between horns.

The ancient Hebrew script says
HDWHY = Yehuda
H = the
NHK = Priest
LDGH = High
RBḤ = Council
H = the
[MYD]HY = Jews.

 :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_yad_2:
 :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_daleth_2: :Judean_vau_1:
 :Judean_daleth_2: :Judean_gimel_1: :Judean_hey: :Judean_nun_2: :Judean_hey_3: :Judean_kaf_1:
 :Judean_rosh_3: :Judean_beyt_2: :Judean_het_1: :Judean_waw_7: :Judean_lam_1:
 :Judean_hey: :Judean_yad_2: :Judean_hey:
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2012, 11:17:02 am »
Alexander Jannaeus (Yehonatan), 103 - 76 B.C.

Bronze prutah, Meshorer TJC S, Hendin 1160 (479A), Jerusalem mint, 2.38g, 13.3mm, 0°, obverse blundered imitative of Hebrew inscription, Yonatan the High Priest and the Council of the Jews, crude and blundered, surrounded by wreath; reverse double cornucopia adorned with ribbons, pomegranate between horns.

This coin is very unclear, but I believe this to be the script:

....
 :Judean_hey_1: :Judean_kaf_1: :Judean_hey_1:
 :Judean_rosh_2: :Judean_gimel_3: :Judean_nun_1:
....

The ancient Hebrew script says
[NTNWHY] = Yehonatan
H = the
NHK = Priest
[L]DG = High
[RBḤ] = Council
[MYDWHY] = Jews.
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2012, 11:24:30 am »
John Hyrcanus II (Yonatan), King 67 B.C., Ethnarch 63 - 40 B.C.

Bronze prutah, Meshorer TJC type S, AJC I type Hc, Hendin 1161 (480), Jerusalem mint, 2.029g, 14.7mm, obverse completely illegible imitative of Hebrew inscription; reverse double cornucopia adorned with ribbons, pomegranate between horns.

Script nonsensical.  Ancient Hebrew letters placed almost randomly.  I have attached a drawing highlighting the clear letters to show the crudity of the script. Keep in mind that on no correctly written prutah should there ever be two letter "Bet"s (:Judean_beyt_3:) as on this coin.
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2012, 10:10:57 am »
Hi Judaean coincoholic members :)
when this thread started few years ago, I knew it will be helping lots of members, but didnt know that dealers are using it as well !!!!
I am working on the Jewish war highlighting and th Barkochba revolt as well. hopefully I will add them by tomorrow night.


I want to give my respect and many thanks to Aarmale (Aaron), I was watching him in the past years,  and knew that he got the, intelligence , talent , guts and passion for Judaean coins, he learned a lot from this board and he is now giving much more  , I consider him now as  an expert in Judaean coins.

me and Armale will work on this thread and start it again to cover if not most all the Judaean coins that have Hebrew script.

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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2012, 10:52:06 am »
I would actually like to turn this thread into a NumisWiki article too (with the coins in Hendin order).
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« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2012, 10:55:32 am »
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Re: Learn Ancient Hebrew on ancient coins.
« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2012, 11:02:22 am »
Hi Judaean coincoholic members :)
when this thread started few years ago, I knew it will be helping lots of members, but didnt know that dealers are using it as well !!!!
I am working on the Jewish war highlighting and th Barkochba revolt as well. hopefully I will add them by tomorrow night.


I want to give my respect and many thanks to Aarmale (Aaron), I was watching him in the past years,  and knew that he got the, intelligence , talent , guts and passion for Judaean coins, he learned a lot from this board and he is now giving much more  , I consider him now as  an expert in Judaean coins.

me and Armale will work on this thread and start it again to cover if not most all the Judaean coins that have Hebrew script.

regards.
Salem Alshdaifat

Thank you very much, and it really has been a pleasure so far!
I will be adding coins of the Yehud periods, as well as a few coins from other time periods.

Aaron
Gallery: http://tinyurl.com/aarmale
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