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Offline Mayadigger

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My Roman Diploma Fragment
« on: April 20, 2022, 04:17:45 pm »
Ave!

Excellent post from Joe and very cool links.

Here's mine - copper alloy; 60mm x 61mm/40gm.

Ground-found in a field near the Roman city of Mursa in Croatia, located on the Drava River only a few miles from the confluence of the Danube River. Mursa was an important riverine base for Roman patrol ships which guarded the banks, not only looking for any invaders, but to also ensure that trading boats had a safe journey. Possibly from a Roman marine?

The inscriptions on each side do NOT photo well, but when held into the light at the correct angle are more readily seen.
The front has four sort of legible lines, and the reverse has five lines.

This fragment arrived months ago and like Joe our host here on Forum, I was and still am, not sure what to do with it.
 
So far, I have only and gently, addressed the inscriptions, and nothing else. I have tried to trace them on paper and make impressions, but no go as they are too faint.

Any suggestions as how to make them clearer will be highly appreciated!

Best regards to all,

Kevin
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Re: My Roman Diploma Fragment
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2022, 04:25:23 pm »
Another great fragment.  I'll do my best at trying to translate over the next few days.  Stultus is the real expert though.  I can already make out full portions of the text!


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Re: My Roman Diploma Fragment
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2022, 04:31:15 pm »
Cool beans, Jay!

Thanks!
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Re: My Roman Diploma Fragment
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2022, 04:32:19 pm »
You can make out

ADVXI S SEX
R.....LVN
O SECVNDO COS
NV..VDC

I'm guessing SECVNDO is the name of one of the consuls, which will make it easier to figure out a time frame

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Re: My Roman Diploma Fragment
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2022, 12:14:01 pm »
Ave!

I have been very slowly and very carefully going over the engravings to not only make them a bit more legible, but to also ensure that I'm not seeing what isn't really there. Savvy?

Here is my translation of the obverse, top to bottom, for what it's worth as my Latin is minimal. Ha Ha!

ADVXISSEN = To Help, Helping
PR K IVN = PR, Day before. K means the Kalend or Month. IVN = June.  Or the last day of Maius (May)
SECVNDO COS = The 2nd Consulship of the current emperors or consuls
CVITRAEST = Military Unit
TRANVS? Obscure as it could mean channel or passing/moving? VOCONT = I am free on...or Will be free on?
The rest of the legends are too faint to be read.

Does this make sense or am I misinterpreting?

Thanks for looking and aid in advance!

Now that the obverse is finished, I'll begin with the reverse.
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Re: My Roman Diploma Fragment
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2022, 03:37:58 pm »
Nice one!

Looks like a late first century diploma.  Take a look at the  second diploma

http://www.romancoins.info/MilitaryDiploma-2.html#Vespasianus

Tabula 1, second paragraph, second sentence.  That's your line, except of course the rest is different.  But now you have a starting place.

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Re: My Roman Diploma Fragment
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2022, 07:34:50 pm »
It is quite hard to read

Probably from the reign of Hadrian or Antoninus Pius

... POSTEA DVXISSENT
...S       PR KN IVN
...I(?)O SECVNDO COS
... CVI PRAEST
... NVS VOCONT

NE EMERITIS ?
RVM MOMIN
...TER EOR...
CVM VXORIBVS
EST CIVITAS IIS

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Re: My Roman Diploma Fragment
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2022, 11:57:25 am »
Ave Stultus!

Yes, the legends are rather faint.

Well, that shot my stupid translation all to heck. Ha Ha!

Thank you very much!  +++ +++ +++

Can you extrapolate further?
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