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Offline nikopolis1

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Help for inscription needed
« on: February 28, 2021, 12:29:59 pm »
Can someone translate this inscription?Should be latin.

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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2021, 02:26:19 pm »
It would be helpful to include the reverse and diameter
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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2021, 01:04:52 pm »
Reverece is flat ,nothing is there.Diameter is 3 cm.It is a part of votive lead mirror I believe .

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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2021, 06:43:19 am »
Yes, I agree it is part of a votive mirror. I think the legend is Greek: CV KA/ΛH ΛAB/E ME XA/PIN which would translate along the lines of "thou beautiful one, be thanked, here is my gratitude". You'd have to check the precise grammar with someone with more than rudimentary knowledge of ancient Greek like myself.
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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2021, 09:13:11 am »
I don't mind the grammer :)Many thanks ,your knowledge is amazing .Best regards

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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2021, 12:01:14 pm »
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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2021, 12:02:28 pm »
ΕΙΣΑΙ ΚΑΛΗ.ΛΑΒΕ ΜΕ ΧΑΡΑ
you are good. take it with joy

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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2021, 05:20:56 am »
Hi Nikos, thanks for weighing in. However, the piece reads "su", not "eisai", doesnt' it?
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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2021, 07:43:23 am »
I think she writes about herself. (I)

The colony of Evia in the region of Italy must be from Evia

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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2021, 04:34:45 pm »
Evia?

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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2021, 03:49:13 pm »
The letter C is in the Evian(euboea) alphabet.

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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2021, 05:37:44 am »
C is a lunate sigma, which was in use all over the Roman world. It spells the word "su", "thou"
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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2021, 03:04:37 pm »
so it is Byzantine, not ancient Greek!!!

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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2021, 02:52:46 am »

Lunate sigma was in use in Greek long before Kyrillic alphabet was invented:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Greek%20Alphabet

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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2021, 06:46:57 am »
Votive mirors like this are usually dated 2-3 century A.D. So there is no way this to be Byzantine.

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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2021, 12:04:29 pm »
Nobody said this votive mirror was Byzantine to begin with.

I'd advise you to see for yourself how the Greek part of the Roman empire wrote their sigma's in the 2nd-3rd centuries (for example, in the Roman provincial board her at Forvm).

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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2021, 06:38:53 pm »
yes the CY=thou =εσύ στα νέα ελληνικά

the date is difficult though?

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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2021, 04:49:30 am »
Date is as you said, c. 2nd-3rd century.

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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2021, 09:41:01 am »
Wide flat lead rings, decorated with a geometric or rococo design, and often with the remains of a short handle are common finds in SE Europe and are dated to the 2nd-3rd century AD.  I have a couple in my collection.

It is clear that something likely once fit in the donut-hole-like middle of these votive mirrors.  I niavely thought it might have been a piece of glass.  But a broader search shows that a few have been found with a round lead piece inscribed in Greek still in situ.

So it would appear that this "seal" is actually the centre-piece of such a votive mirror.

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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2021, 01:45:11 am »
You are correct Otlichnik.This is the centre- piece of votive miror.On the back flat side glass was glued,so it is actually like a real miror.I think they used them in every day life too,not just like votive offerings .Here is one complete ,just the handle is missing.There is various decoration on these mirrors not just the geometric, thought geometric is the most common decoration

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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2021, 08:02:32 am »
I think they were only votive.  I have only seen them described as votive.  More importantly, the handles of all the ones I have seen have been so small and thin that the lead would not support the weight without breaking soon.

Actual mirrors are all bronze.

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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2021, 02:42:05 pm »
Here is an almost complete one from Caesarea Maritima with a bit of glass still in place.  This is from an earlier post, and includes a link to a nice essay about the mirrors.  The handle is showing signs of weakness and is very fragile, as Otlichnik mentions.

http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft5j49p06s&chunk.id=d0e2560&toc.id=d0e1763&brand=ucpress

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=96778.msg598800#msg598800

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Re: Help for inscription needed
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2021, 02:52:16 pm »
Ah, I thought I remembered ones with bits of glass.  So either they were made in two types: with glass insert and with inscribed lead insert.  Or maybe with glass and the lead was a cover.

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