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Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #100 on: January 07, 2009, 05:57:04 pm »
An interesting coin (Elagabalus / Herakles standing r. nude holding lionskin, bow, and club), definitely not in Isegrim, which does list this reverse and this module, but for Tranquillina and nobody earlier. * Arminius, I have to agree that the :Greek_Omega: in your two obverse dies is different, but otherwise they're near-identical.

   * There's a similar much earlier design with the different rev. legend NIKAIEIS TON KTISTHN = "Nicaeans to the Founder": http://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/10639/
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Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #101 on: January 19, 2009, 12:48:39 pm »
A (probably new) assarion of the younger Caracalla Augustus:



Nikaia in Bithynia, Caracalla, struck 198-210 AD.,
Æ22 / Assarion (20-23 mm / 6.22 g),
Obv.: .. AYPH ANT - ΩNINOC AVΓ.., laureate head of the younger Caracalla right.
Rev.: [N]IKAI - EΩ[N] , Tyche, wearing polos, standing left, holding cornucopia and rudder.
cf. Waddington, Rec. Gen. 456, 455 ; Weiser - .

Maybe some day i have time for cleaning this one.


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« Reply #102 on: January 19, 2009, 03:40:01 pm »
-- And now also noted in Isegrim Extended; the portrait resmbles the one (Elagabalus?) posted here in Reply #124 :

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=49390.msg307614#msg307614

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Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #103 on: January 26, 2009, 01:56:22 am »
This is not an unpublished coin, but the only one I've ever seen before is in Waddington. Thought I'd share it with everyone. It's currently for sale on VAuctions if anyone's interested.

BITHYNIA. Nicaea. Caracalla. 198-217 AD. Æ 27mm (12.70 g). Laureate and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind / Dionysos standing facing, head turned right, holding a grape vine in outstretched left hand and overhead; satyr walking left under outstretched left arm, panther to left, cantharus to right. RG 432; SNG von Aulock -; SNG Copenhagen -; BMC -.

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Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #104 on: February 11, 2009, 01:54:51 pm »


Elagabalus, 218-222 AD.,
Æ Assarion (22 mm / 5,75 g),
Obv.: [M AYP] ANTΩ - NINOC AYΓ , laureate bust of Elagabalus right.
Rev.: NIKAIE / ΩN , side view of the Tyche temple of Nikaia with hexastyle front; clipeus in the pediment and 9 columns at the side; all in perspective .
Waddington, Rec. Gén 1/3, - (cf. 470, 566 - front view of the temple) ; online resources - .

(also well-fitting the dimples thread, subcategory "both side dimple types in cheeks and columns")

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« Reply #105 on: February 11, 2009, 02:24:12 pm »
Thanks for posting this coin, very rare though perhaps not unlisted -- looks like Caracalla to me, so perhaps this is it, though too vague in spots:

PRO: BITHYNIA
PO : NICAEA
PZ : Between 198 and 217 
 Obverse
VSG: M AYR ANTWNINOS AYG
VT : PORTRAIT MAN R / CARACALLA
VA : WREATH LAUREL / BEARD
 Reverse
RSG: NIKAIEWN
RT : TEMPLE R
 Technical details
M  : AE
GEW: 5.07(1)
ST : 06(1)
 Bibliographical references
ZIT: SNG KOP 18 508(1)
 Additional remarks
FR : VS: M AYR ANTWNINOS AYG RS: NIKAIEWN 
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Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #106 on: February 11, 2009, 03:45:24 pm »
But there is definitely no beard and so Elagabal is my guess.

That reference may (probably) be one of the bearded Caracalla types like Rec. Gen. p. 456, 461 or the second note on that side "Non revue", "temple polystyle vue de cote", Mionnet Suppl. 689, or page 459, no. 476-8.

Or this one - Rec. Gén 409 var. (but with head facing left):



Caracalla, 211-217 AD.,
Æ Diassarion (23-24 mm / 8,74 g),
Obv.: ANTΩNINOC - AY-ΓOYCTOC , laureate, bearded head of Caracalla left.
Rev.: NI - KAI / EΩN , front view of the hexastyle Tyche temple of Nikaia set on three-tiered base; clipeus in pediment.
cf. Waddington, Rec. Gén 1/3, 459, 476 var. (bearded head right) ; Weiser - ; .

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Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #107 on: February 11, 2009, 03:49:57 pm »
It looks more like Caracalla to me, too. There are lots of Caracalla portraits without beard, see, f.e., this specimen, which I couldn't find in my books, either.

Caracalla AE23, 198-211 AD, Nicaea / Nikaia, Bithynia.
Obv: M AVPH ANTΩNINOC AVΓ, laureate head right.
Rev: NIKAIEΩN, Serapis, wearing Kalathos, walking right, sceptre over left shoulder, raising right hand.
22-23 mm, 6.39 g
Rec. Gén -, SNG Aulock -, SNG Leypold -, SNG Righetti -, Lindgren I -, Lindgren III -, Sear GIC -

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« Reply #108 on: February 12, 2009, 04:50:22 am »
Interesting!  Isegrim has this Nicaean reverse for M. Aurelius, Macrinus, and Philip II, but no one in between; are there other examples out there we have yet to retrieve?  As for the unbearded Caracalla, I'd call this another young-Augustus example not so different from Arminius' previous posting at

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=45586.msg315565#msg315565
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Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #109 on: February 12, 2009, 10:07:52 am »
I coincidentally also had a second one, from a different reverse but same obverse die. It nicely completed the obverse legend. 23 mm, 5.97 g.

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« Reply #110 on: February 12, 2009, 11:03:41 am »
I agree this must the same obverse, with what looks like an altered truncation; any notion of what could account for this?
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Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #111 on: February 14, 2009, 04:01:05 am »


Caracalla, 198-210 AD.,
Æ Hemissarion (15-16 mm / 2,60 g),
Obv.: ANT-Ω-N-I - NOC AYΓO , laureate and radiate head of Caracalla right.
Rev.: NIKA-IEΩN , brabeion (also called "prize crown" "prize urn") with one palm branch.

Waddington, Rec. Gén 1/3, - ; Weiser - (these automatic links are not intended by me and will lead you to the wrong references) ; BMC - ; same dies: http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/caracalla/_nicaea_AE15_urn.jpg .

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« Reply #112 on: February 14, 2009, 11:51:21 am »
I agree this must the same obverse, with what looks like an altered truncation; any notion of what could account for this?

It looks like the same truncation to me, just filled a bit on the left while flatly struck on the right.

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« Reply #113 on: February 14, 2009, 03:07:30 pm »
Thanks to both; Arminius, you are right that we ought to list this new prize-urn reverse for Caracalla, though I already do list its unusual radiate-laureate obverse:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=37721.msg239057#msg239057
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=37721.msg248918#msg248918

And Lars, yes, I believe that accounts for the different truncation on your two examples; they're also quite close to the obverse of A.'s temple coin, although not quite the same.

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« Reply #114 on: February 14, 2009, 03:37:05 pm »
This might be the same obverse with a different view of the temple:



Æ Assarion (21-23 mm / 4,47 g),
Obv.: M AYP ANTΩ - NINOC AYΓ , laureate bust of Caracalla right, slight drapery on far shoulder.
Rev.: NI - KA / EΩN , front view of the hexastyle Tyche temple of Nikaia set on two-tiered base; clipeus in pediment.
Waddington, Rec. Gén 1/3, 458, 475 (Pl. LXXIX, 19) ; Weiser - .

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« Reply #115 on: February 15, 2009, 12:59:58 am »
Right; looks plausible, again with a different wear-pattern.  This specimen may share its reverse with your left-facing #106.
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« Reply #116 on: March 17, 2009, 01:25:20 pm »
This one has that kind of easy removable looking dirt but in reality it proofs sticking like a limpet. I started my long time cleaning process to make it looking better.
So far it shows all necessary details:



Severus Alexander, as Caesar, 221-222 AD.,
Æ21 / Assarion (23-24 mm / 5,34 g),
Obv.: M AVP AΛЄΞANΔPOC KAI , draped, cuirassed, and bare-headed bust of Severus Alexander right, seen from back.
Rev.: NIKAI - EΩN , Hera standing left, her right hand holding up patera and leaning on sceptre with left.
Waddington, Rec. Gén 1/3, - ; Weiser - .
an unlisted new type?

I´m not shure if the reverse deity is really Hera. This reverse type is rather unusual fir Nicaea.

Demeter is my second option - but there are no grain ears and the long staff looks more like a scepter than a torch.

Maybe Pat or Jochen can clarify this.

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Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #117 on: March 17, 2009, 02:17:45 pm »
I think you are right with Hera. Pick has regularly called a female figure with patera and holding sceptre Hera, and so did I. There are depictions too of Persephone with patera and sceptre, but always standing together with her mother Demeter.

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« Reply #118 on: March 20, 2009, 04:41:18 am »
You are right; I've seen nothing quite like this from Nicaea; what she's holding looks more like a globe than a dish, and she seems to have something there on her back too.  Perhaps it's Aphrodite with Eros and apple *, or else Peace-Eirene with Ploutos; the fit isn't perfect with either, but it is a start.

  * There's an oddly close fit with the Venus Verticordia featured on some Republican denarii (though that one holds a scale not a globe) and in other respects with the draped Aphrodite found on certain Caesarean coins minted for Julia Domna.  By the way, who knows why those coins stopped showing up on a CoinArchives search?  Don't tell me there's another hacked website!
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« Reply #119 on: June 06, 2009, 02:54:45 pm »
AE15, 1.61g, Geta head left, GETAS KAISAR  / Facing goddess with two torches, NIKIAEWN

I find no reference to this reverse type for a coin from Nicaea *; the goddess may be Demeter or Artemis or even three-faced Hekate -- see this earlier issue

http://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/5973/

and this earlier thread:

 https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=45796.msg289274#msg289274

The unusual left-facing portrait of Geta ** is one of at least two left-facing Geta portraits on coins from Nicaea; see also

http://www.coinarchives.com/a/lotviewer.php?LotID=90046&AucID=96&Lot=361

   * Ed.: Now compare a second specimen (slightly sharper reverse) at

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=45586.msg376122#msg376122

   ** Also used for this very rare Geta / Pan issue:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=36177.msg293766#msg293766

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« Reply #120 on: June 09, 2009, 11:25:11 am »
The same left-facing Geta obverse was employed for two other distinctly rare issues, one a version of the small-module Severeian Games series * and the other a Tyche seated left with the river Sagaris before her:

http://www.coinarchives.com/a/lotviewer.php?LotID=260324&AucID=385&Lot=336&Match=1

Does the rarity of these four apparently linked types connect all with a single mint-run and perhaps with some special occasion?

   * https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=36795.msg266702#msg266702
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« Reply #121 on: June 12, 2009, 12:54:58 pm »
I have an apparently unlisted coin too - Caracalla with an unknown reverse. Please see this ID thread for more info:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=54110.0

Here is the coin. Apparently there is no mention of the emperor on the reverse in this form in any resources.


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« Reply #122 on: June 12, 2009, 06:19:09 pm »

Nice coin, and indeed it's not listed in Isegrim.  Size and weight would be helpful as well; thanks for posting!  archivum
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« Reply #123 on: June 13, 2009, 01:43:16 am »
Sorry, forgot about that.

Diameter is 29mm, weight is 12,84 grams.

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« Reply #124 on: June 19, 2009, 11:47:06 am »
Another unlisted, now at auction on a major online site, possibly the same portrait (Caracalla?) posted here in Reply #101:

Elagabalus, Nicaea, Bithynia, AE23, 6.39g, Laur. hd. r. / Emperor standing l. with spear and patera, captive before
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