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Jochen:
Dear friends!

Yesterday I got some small coins from a friend. Unfortunately, these two coins resist determination. I consider them to be related to each other.

First coin:
AR - 11.40x8.23mm, 0.32g
The first,one, better preserved, shows on the obverse(?) a horseman with waving Chlamys and spear riding to the right. The reverse(?) shows a legend in 3 lines: "L P b H O / N K I H K(?) H / R I".   I do not know wether it is Latin or Greek or something other.

The second one looks similar. However, the letters in the legend are not recognisable here.

I don't know where to start looking. Possibly ancient Bulgarian??

Any answer highly appreciated.

Thanks in advance
Jochen

Sorry, can't add pics!

shanxi:
Your descriptions sounds a bit like a russian Denga:

Just as an example, your legend does not fit:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1685943

Jochen:
Hi Ralf!

Thank you for your suggestion. Without  a pic it is an incredible good choice. I hope that Sorin will fix the error with my pics. Then you can see it.

Jochen

Dominic T:
I'm pretty sure shanxi could identify a coin with his two eyes shut only by using his fingertips...
DT

Jochen:
Because I can't add pics of my coins I have here the link to the 1st coin https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=172722

shanxi was right. The question is when was it struck. Because of the small size I think it was the late time of this currency before the reform in 1535.

Jochen

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