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Offline Nassif

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AE 19 Caracalla & Geta-Carrhae Mesopotamia-Unpublished?
« on: March 15, 2015, 03:53:49 am »
Hi All;
I need your help to find final ID and Ref.?? for this rare coin which looks unpublished?
Mesopotamia-Carrhae. Caracalla, 198-217 AD and Geta. Bronze (AE 19mm; 55g; 6h) undated. [   ] Busts, confronted of Caracalla (laureate and draped bust r.) and Geta (bare-headed and draped l.) both above winged eagle. Rev:Star above crescent set on filleted altar; vexilla flanking.
Thanks in advance for all Help
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Nassif

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Re: AE 19 Caracalla & Geta-Carrhae Mesopotamia-Unpublished?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2015, 08:28:09 am »
Nassif, I have a specimen of the same coin, but your specimen is in much better condition than mine.

Here's what I have been able to find out about the coin:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=98959.msg617633#msg617633

Cheers,

Clueless

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Re: AE 19 Caracalla & Geta-Carrhae Mesopotamia-Unpublished?
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2015, 01:57:35 pm »
Great Thanks clueless for your valuable help & contribution. +++Sure it's same Obverse die as BNF[as i read french] but the Reverse is completly different with Deity seated left.As i guess,this coin still unpublished? ???
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Nassif

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Re: AE 19 Caracalla & Geta-Carrhae Mesopotamia-Unpublished?
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2015, 03:50:56 pm »
Here're 2 coins that I have been able to find:

Similar obverse, crescent and star reverse:

http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1650305

Caracalla obverse, similar reverse, although the star seems more to be something else :

http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1532373

I have found a couple of other specimens on the net of the coins I did list above when searching for my particular coin.

If the coin isn't unpublished, then it is at least rare indeed.

Cheers,

Clueless

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Re: AE 19 Caracalla & Geta-Carrhae Mesopotamia-Unpublished?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2015, 04:47:43 pm »
Nassif, this is really wonderful coin, and I think unlisted with this obv./rev combination.
clueless., will you please post images of the two other examples you found on the net. !

H.Bakkar

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Re: AE 19 Caracalla & Geta-Carrhae Mesopotamia-Unpublished?
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2015, 06:13:09 pm »
I didn't say that I did find other specimens of Nassif's and mine coins, but others similar to the ones I did link to.

For example

http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=267408

Cheers,

Clueless

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Re: AE 19 Caracalla & Geta-Carrhae Mesopotamia-Unpublished?
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2015, 02:17:10 am »
Coins posted by clueless are very different from mine,especially the Reverse;The only Obv.die which could match is from BnF as cited before,but the Reverse is so different.
thanks Bakkar  for your contribution too
Very grateful
Nassif

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Re: AE 19 Caracalla & Geta-Carrhae Mesopotamia-Unpublished?
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2015, 08:57:30 am »
Seems that the published coins ( and the ones posted on the net ) can be divided into 4 general groups:


1. Double portrait obverse and crescent & star reverse

2. Double portrait obverse and deity reverse like on the BnF coin

3. Caracalla obverse with altar, crescent & star and vexillia reverse

4. Caracalla obverse and crescent & star reverse


Of the double portrait obverses there seem to be 2 types:

-Nice style obverse like on Nassif's and my specimens

-crude style

Cheers,

Clueless

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Re: AE 19 Caracalla & Geta-Carrhae Mesopotamia-Unpublished?
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2015, 09:49:19 am »
I guess things are confusing for lot of members,i would like to make things clear once for all:
when we say:"unlisted or unpublished" coin it means the association of OBV+REV both making one coin without Ref.or publications[but we may have several same obv.dies and several same reverse dies of this coin...this all we know about it...we are only interested by this association of Obv+Rev,making one coin rare or unique]
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Nassif

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Re: AE 19 Caracalla & Geta-Carrhae Mesopotamia-Unpublished?
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2015, 02:59:44 pm »
I add to the above groups:

5-Caracalla obverse with Moon god on reverse (image below from the web)-Laureate
6-Caracalla obverse with Moon god on reverse (image below from the web)-radiate
7- Double portrait obverse and moon god on reverse (psrivate collection)
8- Caracalla portrait obverse / veiled, and draped bust of Tyche on reverse (Wildwinds)

Best
H.Bakkar

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Re: AE 19 Caracalla & Geta-Carrhae Mesopotamia-Unpublished?
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2015, 11:11:19 am »
you have really wonderful coins dear  bakkar ;)
All the bests
Nassif

 

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