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Figural Female Questions...
« on: October 24, 2021, 02:31:49 pm »
Ave!

Lead; 70mm/20.4gm Ground-found in Western Ukraine

As seen in the first photo:

A sadly headless but very elegant representation of a high-breasted woman dressed in Greek fashion (peplos-himation?);
about her neck she wears a necklace with facial pendent, and a girdle about her waist. In her right hand she holds...? At bottom a concave crimp.
The reverse is flat and unadorned.

Questions -

#1) Who does she represent? A goddess? A priestess? Or...?
#2) What does the pendent she is wearing represent? See the next two photos
#3) What is she holding in her right hand?
#4) Why the concave crimp?

Any and all of your thoughts will be highly appreciated!
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Re: Figural Female Questions...
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2021, 03:22:18 pm »
A goddess (Athena?) with the head of Medusa on her breast plate?
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2021, 05:34:22 pm »
Yes, I think the gorgoneion almost certainly signifies an Athena.

These lead votive items are apparently fairly local in style and distribution.  For example, one region will have many of the three ladies/three fates, another regional will have a goddess standing in a small temple/aedicula, another Fortuna, etc.  They often come from very few moulds.  It seems they may have been made at religious/shrine sites for local use.  Likely actually made and sold by the temple staff as a way of making money.  Kind of like votive candles in Christian churches today.

So it is quite possible that this comes from some local shrine or temple, in which case it may have been a local goddess-Athena hybrid

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Re: Figural Female Questions...
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2021, 01:10:29 pm »
Thanks guys!

But what is she holding?

A lasso or a bridle? Or?
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2021, 01:30:01 pm »
Hi Maya.  Goddess of wisdom and warfare.  It would be a shield, like this:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=96421

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Re: Figural Female Questions...
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2021, 02:17:00 pm »
Thanks! Yours is swell, too.  +++


My first thought was that it was a shield, as well. But in my piece, it's not as shield-looking as on yours, and she's not resting her hand on it, but rather grasping
what appears to be an extension of a rope or bridle. Note the dots about...suggesting adornments? 

According to the myth, "As he slept, Bellerophon dreamt that Athena came to him and offered him a golden bridle, which was actually there beside him when he woke up."

If as Shawn suggested, "It was likely actually made and sold by the temple staff as a way of making money." If selling them as inexpensive quasi souvenirs, perhaps it was too difficult to cast the
bridle (if it is a bridle) open-work styled. Too delicate and easy to break?

Shame about the missing head and right arm that may have answered such questions.

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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2021, 05:39:21 pm »
I see what you mean.  I wonder if something was attached to the part extending up from the bridle?

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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2021, 06:01:16 pm »
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I see what you mean.  I wonder if something was attached to the part extending up from the bridle?

Not sure, my friend. Here is the reverse. Details on lead artifacts can be soft and easily broken.
As far as I can determine, there is no break at the top of the rope.  ???

Happy to hear your further thoughts.  +++
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2021, 08:38:29 pm »
I would say almost certainly a shield.  It fits with Athena/Minerva and the gorgon on the breast plate.  What your seeing is probably the rim around the outside of the aspis.  Nice piece!

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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2021, 09:12:11 am »
Yes, shield rim with the nails.

The part above the hand could be a sign she was holding something else or possibly just a casting spur.  These things are often not trimmed well.

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Re: Figural Female Questions...
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2021, 12:14:48 pm »
Got it!

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