Classical Numismatics Discussion
  Welcome Guest. Please login or register. 10% Off Store-Wide Sale Until 2 April!!! Explore Our Website And Find Joy In The History, Numismatics, Art, Mythology, And Geography Of Coins!!! Expert Authentication - Accurate Descriptions - Reasonable Prices - Coins From Under $10 To Museum Quality Rarities Welcome Guest. Please login or register. 10% Off Store-Wide Sale Until 2 April!!! Explore Our Website And Find Joy In The History, Numismatics, Art, Mythology, And Geography Of Coins!!! Support Our Efforts To Serve The Classical Numismatics Community - Shop At Forum Ancient Coins

New & Reduced


Author Topic: I need help with identification of this coin  (Read 2872 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

ivan1992

  • Guest
I need help with identification of this coin
« on: December 22, 2012, 05:40:10 am »
So i found this coin, radius is 10mm and it weights 10grams and I think it is gold coin. Here are the links:
[LINKS REMOVED BY ADMIN. PHOTO AVAILABLE BELOW]

Offline mauseus

  • Procurator Caesaris
  • Caesar
  • ****
  • Posts: 3084
  • Ah Allectus, my trusted friend.......
    • Later Roman Coinage
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2012, 05:59:54 am »
Hi,
The design is based on the Macedonian stater Helmeted Athena/Nike type but the style is clearly not official. I am not familiar with Celtic imitations of Macedonian coins, it could be acncient, it could be modern.

Regards,

Mauseus

ivan1992

  • Guest
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2012, 06:05:38 am »
It was found about 2-3 meters beneeth the surface, what do you think how much could it worth?

Offline areich

  • Tribunus Plebis Perpetuus
  • Procurator Monetae
  • Caesar
  • *****
  • Posts: 8706
    • Ancient Greek and Roman Coins, featuring BMC online and other books
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2012, 06:10:24 am »
Looks modern to me.
Andreas Reich

taurisker

  • Guest
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2012, 06:12:24 am »
I don´t know what it is, but it´s not a celtic coin imitating a greek original.

Regards

Offline Pekka K

  • Tribunus Plebis Perpetuus
  • Procurator Monetae
  • Caesar
  • *****
  • Posts: 7336
  • ...one coin at a time...
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2012, 06:16:08 am »
Here is a combined image with re-oriented obverse:

Offline mauseus

  • Procurator Caesaris
  • Caesar
  • ****
  • Posts: 3084
  • Ah Allectus, my trusted friend.......
    • Later Roman Coinage
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2012, 06:19:45 am »
Hi,
I don´t know what it is, but it´s not a celtic coin imitating a greek original.
Why do you think that?

Mauseus

taurisker

  • Guest
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2012, 06:26:59 am »
Hi,
I don´t know what it is, but it´s not a celtic coin imitating a greek original.
Why do you think that?

Mauseus
... because of the style, that´s not celtic and yes, I also think about modern.
Diameter 10mm and 10gr. (1.0gr.?) ... errrr

taurisker

ivan1992

  • Guest
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2012, 06:28:05 am »
It looks similar to this Celtic god Tanasul :

ivan1992

  • Guest
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2012, 06:29:10 am »
Diameter is 20mm, radius is 10mm :D

taurisker

  • Guest
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2012, 06:34:43 am »
Diameter is 20mm, radius is 10mm :D
... ok, 20mm and 10gr.?
I´m sure now it is no celtic coin.
Looks modern to me.

ivan1992

  • Guest
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2012, 06:39:27 am »
Yes 20mm, 10gr, What do you mean by modern, approximately what year could it be?

Offline benito

  • Deceased Member
  • Caesar
  • ****
  • Posts: 2635
  • quousque tandem abutere Sadigh pecunia nostra
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2012, 06:39:59 am »
It was found about 2-3 meters beneeth the surface, what do you think how much could it worth?

Metal detecting ?

ivan1992

  • Guest
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2012, 06:43:52 am »
My dad find it as he is construction worker they where digging something and he saw it.

Offline areich

  • Tribunus Plebis Perpetuus
  • Procurator Monetae
  • Caesar
  • *****
  • Posts: 8706
    • Ancient Greek and Roman Coins, featuring BMC online and other books
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2012, 07:24:45 am »
Approximately the year 2000 is what modern means in this context.
Andreas Reich

ivan1992

  • Guest
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2012, 09:12:08 am »
I dont believe it is only about 10 years old, but ok...

ivan1992

  • Guest
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2012, 01:10:54 pm »
Does anyone other have idea what it might be?

Offline areich

  • Tribunus Plebis Perpetuus
  • Procurator Monetae
  • Caesar
  • *****
  • Posts: 8706
    • Ancient Greek and Roman Coins, featuring BMC online and other books
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2012, 04:03:14 pm »
The point is that some people (I included) think this is a modern fake or fantasy coin. Before you ask, that means I don't believe the story how it was found either. I've heard that one a hundred times.
Andreas Reich

Offline Andrew McCabe

  • Tribunus Plebis Perpetuus
  • Procurator Monetae
  • Caesar
  • *****
  • Posts: 4651
    • My website on Roman Republican Coins and Books, with 2000 coins arranged per Crawford
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2012, 04:23:20 pm »
The usual way these modern fakes are found is that the tour guide or construction worker drops it on the ground / in the trench, and then lets someone else discover it. These stories have been told on Forvm many times. I recall where someone claimed to have dug up a modern fake 2 metres down in the desert. No-one could work out why any coin, ancient or modern, would be 2 metres down in the middle of a desert, nor why anyone would choose to dig at a random spot in a big desert to find it. 2 metres is pretty deep! Other usual places to find modern fake coins include in attics, grandfather's old box, or left in a will. Often people who ask our views on Forum come with totally innocent intent, having been told these stories by the persons who sold them the coins. It does not matter where the coin was reported to have been found. If it looks a certain modern fake, then ithat's what it is, and perhaps then the story of where it was found was fake too, or the finder was deceived by a tour guide or construction worker who planted it.

PS: I still have fond memories of that button where the other side was too secret and mysterious to show.

PPS given that it is 10mm in diameter, might it be a indian gold fanum or modern replica thereof? In any event, if it's something like that it's maybe worth its gold value which can be checked by weighing it.

ivan1992

  • Guest
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2012, 05:27:31 pm »
It is 20mm in diameter, and it is confirmed that it is a gold, my dad almoust sold it... It is found in Varazdin (Croatia) and the city has ancient history... What do you suggest where should i take the coin for the assessment? Museum or sth else?

Offline ga77

  • Consul
  • ***
  • Posts: 232
    • Catalogue of Middle Bronzes from Pertinax onwards
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2012, 06:57:19 pm »
No need to take it anywhere, it is modern in my eyes as well. If, IF it is gold (I don't think it is when I look at the pictures), you can sell it for the gold price.

Vale
Gabriel

ivan1992

  • Guest
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2012, 10:07:09 am »
I dont understand why would someone make it? Just for fun?

ivan1992

  • Guest
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2013, 05:52:15 am »
Does anyone have second opinion

Offline helcaraxe

  • Caesar
  • ****
  • Posts: 438
    • Coins available
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2013, 05:58:26 am »
It was found about 2-3 meters beneeth the surface, what do you think how much could it worth?

Metal detecting ?
You can't find coins metaldetecting if it is 2 m beneath the ground.

However it is not a sure sign of authenticity, because the earth may have been moved many times.

And yes, there are people around who just like to fool people by throwing away fake coins... ;-)

However I will link this discussion to the Austrian forum, because there are some real celtic coin experts.

Semper pax
helcaraxe

Offline areich

  • Tribunus Plebis Perpetuus
  • Procurator Monetae
  • Caesar
  • *****
  • Posts: 8706
    • Ancient Greek and Roman Coins, featuring BMC online and other books
Re: I need help with identification of this coin
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2013, 07:58:09 am »
Not for fun but to sell it as a real coin. Because it is hard to make good fakes, many fakes imitate Celtic coins. People who don't have much experience with ancient coins and who don't know anything about Celtic coins except that they "look strange" will accept them as Celtic coins
Andreas Reich

 

All coins are guaranteed for eternity