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Claudine S

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Identification help.
« on: January 12, 2023, 06:22:40 pm »
I think this is Caligula and his three sisters after looking online for a few hours this evening. Does it look like that to you? the coin weighs 25g & is 34mm in diameter.
I don't know if its copper or bronze? should I try and clean it?
Not really sure what to do with it as I have had it for about 20 years!

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Claudine.

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Re: Identification help.
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2023, 06:47:08 pm »
Can we see the other side?

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Re: Identification help.
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2023, 07:13:21 pm »
Sorry, I thought I had attached a few!

Claudine S

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Re: Identification help.
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2023, 07:19:54 pm »
I think this is Caligula and his three sisters after looking online for a few hours this evening. Does it look like that to you? the coin weighs 25g & is 34mm in diameter.
I don't know if its copper or bronze? should I try and clean it?
Not really sure what to do with it as I have had it for about 20 years!

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Claudine.

Can we see the other side?

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Re: Identification help.
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2023, 08:32:38 pm »
Hi folks,

Is this coin genuine?

This type is commonly counterfeitted. It has a "soapy" look to it. I see file marks on the edge in the first photo. The patina may be fake.

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Re: Identification help.
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2023, 08:41:41 pm »
I believe this is a cast (cast-of-a-cast) of a Paduan. I've seen others of this type, much rougher surfaces than the usual "after Cavino" Paduan casts. But I think this example from the Fakes Database is closer to the original: https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=14064
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Re: Identification help.
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2023, 09:22:34 pm »
I agree.  The obverse is a little more convincing but the reverse looks cast. 

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Re: Identification help.
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2023, 10:48:45 pm »

Except for file marks on the edge visible from obverse and reverse, which are obvious (I mean really, who would do that and think it wouldn’t be seen), I can't see signs of casting. As a last resort, I sometimes strip LRBs I’ve tried to clean and then darken them, usually with liver of sulfur, but I have experimented with Jax. The stripping often exposes pitting. And sometimes the treatment doesn’t take and leaves bright spots.  But for the file marks, I might say this is a stripped coin treated with Jax green that didn’t take well, and then treated for an extended period with liver of sulfur leaving the cakey black surface especially on the reverse, and with a few spots where neither treatment took leaving the bright spots.

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Re: Identification help.
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2023, 12:24:07 am »
The sharp ridge on the perimeter of the obverse and the file marks on the obverse make it 100% fake for me.

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Re: Identification help.
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2023, 07:57:35 am »
I can only agree--fake.

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Re: Identification help.
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2023, 08:48:42 am »
Thank you for everyone's help yesterday and taking the time to have a look at the coin.
I am quite happy that you all agree that this is a fake coin so I won't even bother trying to clean it etc
I think the best place for it is in the bin!

Thanks again for your expertise,

Claudine.

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Re: Identification help.
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2023, 10:43:12 pm »
Certainly cast.
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