Author Topic: Legend: Armenian Tram Hetoum I (Read 475 times)

Jan P · « **on:** May 28, 2022, 04:01:39 am »

Hello Dear Members,

Underneath one can see my Cilician Armenian Tram of Hetoum I.
I was seeking for the transcription and translation of the legends.
For the lion-side it is okay. It should be: HETOWM TAGAWOR HAYOTS for "Hetoum king of the Armenians".

The royal couple-side however is giving me more trouble. Till now I came to: KAROGHUT'BN ATS'W, what should stand for something as "by Gods' grace", but I think this needs a lot of correction. And I like the translation as literally as possible.

Yes, normally this is my work. I have a collection of coins in all kinds of strange scripts of which I look up transcription and translation.
But today I am a bit lazy and I have a lot of gardening to do and I saw here that some members can handle this in the blink of an eye, so I thought ...

Jan P · « **Reply #1 on:** May 28, 2022, 04:46:36 pm »

In the blink of an eye ... so I thought

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Never mind, this evening I fell on new information. Read the results underneath the pictures:

Jan P · « **Reply #2 on:** May 29, 2022, 05:00:24 am »

Can not say I am intirely satisfied with the latest traduction of KAROGHUT'BN AYE as "By the will of God".

The Levon Trams show another version of KAROGHUT'BN ... and get everywhere exact the same traduction. So both can not be literally.
If somebody can solve this in detail, I'd be very thankful.
See below:

Jan P · « **Reply #3 on:** May 29, 2022, 05:38:46 am »

Sorry, I will not bother you any longer with my problems here.
I think, I found the solution on Wikipedia:

The Armenians very oft abbreviated the name of God to the first and the the last letter and I think that is the case here on my coin.
Keep in mind that this is medieval Armenian and that evolution of the language brought us meanwhile east and west armenian (with their own alphabet variants) and many reforms before you compare with the picture below:

Jan P · « **Reply #4 on:** May 30, 2022, 03:57:03 am »

I like to show you what my coin looks like now.

I choose for the system with the coin cardboards, so I can keep the comments attached to the coin.
In this collection,"Identifying, locating, deciphering and dating", all is mixed up: ancient, old and modern, Western Satraps together with Ethiopia, Morocco with Mongolia ...
So, the whole looks very mysterious

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Disadvantage: This year I purchased five coins till now which I seemed to have in collection already. Not so funny!

Jan P · « **Reply #5 on:** May 31, 2022, 04:13:18 am »

At night, in bed, I often have still coins in my mind.
This night, I thought: why is there no ligature mark at the Armenian "A-y" on my coin?
Then I saw it this morning and found: the extremely long nose of the Armenian "y" can very well be the alternative mark of a ligature here ...
See below: