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Offline Jeff P

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Blue/green and red spots on silver coins
« on: February 09, 2026, 07:07:11 pm »
I have several silver coins in flips that have developed areas of blue/green and or red.  Is these a concern, if so what should I do?

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Re: Blue/green and red spots on silver coins
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2026, 02:16:32 pm »
What do you mean "developed?" You mean that the coins did not have these deposits and they recently appeared? I think you need to be more specific and provide a picture or two.

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Re: Blue/green and red spots on silver coins
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2026, 04:47:24 pm »
As I understand it, I am unable to post pics until my third post.
In answer to your question the coins did not have deposits when I placed them in the flips several years ago.

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Re: Blue/green and red spots on silver coins
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2026, 06:14:18 pm »
Welcome!
My first thought was bad flips, but silver doesn't usually react like that, especially so fast.
Fouree'?

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Re: Blue/green and red spots on silver coins
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2026, 03:21:05 pm »
What kind of flips are you using? Do they contain plasticizers?

You could test for PVC by very gently 'pushing' the 'spot' with a toothpick to see if it is sticky. Try not to touch the coin metal at all with the toothpick.

Post photos as soon as you can.

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Re: Blue/green and red spots on silver coins
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2026, 07:45:57 am »
Not sure about the flips, I bought what was advertised as coin safe.

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Re: Blue/green and red spots on silver coins
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2026, 07:49:55 am »
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Re: Blue/green and red spots on silver coins
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2026, 07:50:30 am »
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Re: Blue/green and red spots on silver coins
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2026, 12:04:33 pm »
The photos might be indicative of ancient bronze coins that were treated in modern times to add a silver wash to the surface. The coins might have had an ancient silver wash, which many did, but the ancient wash was only partially remaining. In addition, the coins could have had surface corrosion products, which are often green and red, etc.. Modern 'coin doctors' can add a 'silver wash' to the coin, making it look much more attractive and 'even' in appearance. The modern wash is not as robust and lasting as the ancient, and can disappear in a few years, leaving coins looking like they did (or worse) when treated by the 'coin doctor'.

From the internet:

"Modern fraudsters often apply a temporary silver wash (silver plating or chemical coating) to low-value ancient bronze/copper coins to falsely enhance their value as rare silver, which typically flakes off or fades within a few years. This modern enhancement is designed to temporarily deceive collectors, mimicking the original, thin silver wash used in the late Roman Empire, which often wears off to reveal the bronze beneath.

Key aspects of this fraudulent practice include:

Method: Fraudsters use chemical plating techniques to apply a thin layer of silver over worn bronze coins, making them appear as valuable silver antoniniani or denarii.

Short-Term Deception: Unlike ancient plating, which can sometimes last centuries, modern, hastily applied washes are not durable, wearing away quickly to expose the underlying, cheap bronze base.

Appearance: When fresh, the coin looks bright or lustrous; within a few years, it will appear patchy, dull, or show green corrosion (bronze disease) as the base metal reacts to the environment.

Detection: Collectors can identify this by observing an unnaturally shiny, silver-plated surface on a coin with low-quality, worn-down engraving. The silver often looks "too perfect" or sits on top of the corrosion, whereas ancient silver-washed coins show the silver as an integrated part of the surface, often only remaining in the crevices.

Goal: The fraud aims to turn a coin worth a few dollars into one appearing to be worth hundreds by deceiving buyers into thinking it is a high-silver-content coin. "

Another internet query returned this:

"This scenario describes a common, modern, and deceitful practice in the ancient coin market—specifically targeting late Roman bronze coins (such as Radiates or Nummi) to make them look like higher-value, silvered issues.

Here is a breakdown of why this happens, how it is done, and how to spot it.

The Scam: Modern Silver Wash on Bronze

In the late 3rd/early 4th century AD, the Roman Empire was suffering from massive inflation. Coins that were supposed to be silver (Antoniniani) were often made of bronze with a, sometimes intentional, thin "silver wash" (a process sometimes called "pickling" to bring silver to the surface).

Modern Fraudsters:

Take a "Nude" Coin: Take a common, low-value, brown or green copper-alloy (bronze) coin that has lost its original surface.

Apply Artificial Wash: Apply a modern silver-colored coating. This is often done using:

Silver paint or lacquer: This is the cheapest method.

Silver electroplating: A more sophisticated method.

Chemical silver solutions: Such as "silver plating cream" used for jewelry.

"Evaporation" (Wear/Degradation): Because this layer is not metallurgically bonded in the same way as an ancient wash, and because it is applied over a 1,700-year-old, uneven, or corroded surface, it does not last.

Why It "Evaporates" (Disappears)

The term "evaporates" is figurative; in reality, the silver wash wears off, flakes off, or is removed by cleaning.

In a Coin Flip: A "coin flip" (a 2x2 cardboard and plastic holder) can actually be a harsh environment if the coin is constantly moved. The plastic can rub against the surface.

Oxidation: The modern material used by fraudsters reacts with the atmosphere or the chemicals in the plastic flip, causing the silver color to turn black, grey, or simply disappear.

Poor Adhesion: Without a clean, fresh surface, modern paint or weak plating will flake off with minimal friction, revealing the brown or green bronze underneath.

How to Spot This Fraud

The "Rub" Test: Often, a light rub with a thumb will remove the "silver," revealing a dull bronze surface underneath.

Appearance: Genuine ancient silver wash often has a slight purplish or metallic hue and adheres tightly to the metal. Modern fake wash often looks too bright, "painted on," or perfectly even, but flakes off in patches.

Under Magnification: Using a jeweler’s loupe, you will see the silver layer stopping at the edge of pits, cracks, or corrosion, indicating it was applied after the coin was already damaged.

Too Good to Be True: A perfectly "silvered" coin for a very low price is almost certainly a modern job.

Why This is Done

A "nude" (bare) bronze coin might be worth $5–$10, while a nicely silvered example could sell for $50–$100+ to an unsuspecting collector. The fraudster makes a large profit by "improving" a common coin."

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Re: Blue/green and red spots on silver coins
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2026, 12:17:06 pm »
Bellow are images of some coins in my collection. See the photo captions for descriptions of the coins.
These coins might have been gently cleaned, as most ancient coins are, but they have not been 'doctored' by treating the surface to enhance the silver appearance.



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Re: Blue/green and red spots on silver coins
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2026, 01:55:13 pm »
I purchased these from England ten or fifteen years ago, they weren’t cheap, I guess the dealer took advantage of.
Is there anything that can be done to “clean them up” or should I just leave them alone?

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Re: Blue/green and red spots on silver coins
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2026, 02:05:57 pm »
The photos might be indicative of ancient bronze coins that were treated in modern times to add a silver wash to the surface. The coins might have had an ancient silver wash, which many did, but the ancient wash was only partially remaining.

Those coins are silver; not silver washed.

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Re: Blue/green and red spots on silver coins
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2026, 02:53:13 pm »
Quote from: Victor C on February 12, 2026, 02:05:57 pm
The photos might be indicative of ancient bronze coins that were treated in modern times to add a silver wash to the surface. The coins might have had an ancient silver wash, which many did, but the ancient wash was only partially remaining.

Those coins are silver; not silver washed.

I don't know if they are silver or bronze. The types might indicate that they should be silver, but they could have been ancient fourree, or modern 'fourree' (fakes). In any event, the same thing can be done by modern coin doctors to a silver coin...giving it a silver wash to make it look better.

What I see in the photos definitely does not look like PVC damage. So, if the coins were good looking silver coins when they were stored in flips a few years ago, what explains the way they look now?

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Re: Blue/green and red spots on silver coins
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2026, 02:55:10 pm »
I purchased these from England ten or fifteen years ago, they weren’t cheap, I guess the dealer took advantage of.
Is there anything that can be done to “clean them up” or should I just leave them alone?

Before knowing what, if anything, could be done with the coins, we need to determine what they are and what has caused the change in appearance.

By any chance, do you have photos of the coins the way they looked when you bought them?

Did they all have an even silver look to them, like the Elagabalus coin I posted an image of (the top image in my posting of four coins)?

What do the coin flips that these coins were in, now look like? Is there any residue on the inside of the flips?

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Re: Blue/green and red spots on silver coins
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2026, 08:08:36 pm »
Of course I have no photos from back in the day.  They did all look silver to me, I do have a couple that are silver washed but these were bought as silver.

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Re: Blue/green and red spots on silver coins
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2026, 08:51:46 pm »
Of course I have no photos from back in the day.  They did all look silver to me, I do have a couple that are silver washed but these were bought as silver.

It would be good to have them examined in hand by someone who deals in ancient coins, at a shop or a coin show. There is only so much that can be seen from photos.

At this time, my best estimation is that something was done to the coins by a seller somewhere along the line (not necessarily the person you bought them from), to make the coins more attractive, and that over the years that treatment is no longer making the coins attractive.

I have seen coins stored for decades, that were covered in PVC, but they were not close to looking like what I see in your photos.

Were these coins stored by you in a very humid environment? Humidity can accelerate corrosion processes, and I imagine it might also accelerate the 'evaporation' of a coin doctor's treatment.

Paper labels in a coin flip can also cause toning on the associated coin, even when not in physical contact with the coin. was there a paper or card label in your coin flips? If yes, do they show any discoloration or change?

It can be helpful to have high resolution photos of your coins, as they appear when you buy them. That way, if you ever have a doubt on whether or not your coins are 'changing', you can compare them with the photos. I posted low resolution images of my coins previously on this thread, because there is a size limit for posting on the forum, but I also have high resolution versions of the same images.

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Re: Blue/green and red spots on silver coins
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2026, 02:51:21 pm »
Quote from: Victor C on February 12, 2026, 02:05:57 pm
The photos might be indicative of ancient bronze coins that were treated in modern times to add a silver wash to the surface. The coins might have had an ancient silver wash, which many did, but the ancient wash was only partially remaining.

Those coins are silver; not silver washed.

If not fourree, maybe find patina that was silver washed for a more attractive look?

 

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