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Offline benito

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Ariadne.
« on: October 02, 2011, 06:27:34 am »
Coins of this Empress are extremely rare and to me unknown in silver (my collecting stops at Eugenius). Could be a cast fake of a fake tremissis ?
Seller has other off looking coins. Any opinions ?

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Re: Ariadne.
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2011, 07:05:34 am »
Greetings from Bulgaria, I would say. But it seems rather struck, not cast, to me. Or can they cast such jagged edges in the meantime? :o

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Re: Ariadne.
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2011, 07:10:21 am »
Hi,

the coin has very sharp edge cracks, it is thus not likely to be cast. It is more likely struck with cast transfer dies.

It looks like silver or white metal, but it cannot be a silver issue because of the signature CONO(B) on the reverse. A siliqua would be signed CONS*. And actually it looks like just CONO as if the maker did not know what to do.

The style of the bust, specifically the drapery looks like that of Aelia Eudocia and also the wreath is not in the style of Ariadne but more towards Eudocia.

Thus it does not only look fake, it is fake and it is an impossible type. (I guess one can exclude the possibility that it is a pattern in silver made for a type of tremissis which never has been found so far.)

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Re: Ariadne.
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2011, 04:45:27 pm »
the coin has very sharp edge cracks, it is thus not likely to be cast. It is more likely struck with cast transfer dies.

Why transfer dies?  Why not just hand engraved dies?
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Re: Ariadne.
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2011, 04:57:25 pm »
I agree with Joe. In the case of transfer dies, the style would have to be correct, which IMHO it isn't.

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Re: Ariadne.
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2011, 05:08:33 pm »

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Re: Ariadne.
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2011, 05:39:45 pm »
Hi,

in this case I have been thinking of cast transfer dies as amethod to create a fake of a fake. The surfaces of the fake are so soft in contrast to the sharp edges that I think someone made a transfer die from a fake gold coin to strike copies in silver.

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