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Which Roman Emperor Do You Think Impacted The World The Most

Julius Caesar
Augustus
Trajan
Hadrian
Constantine

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Offline awl

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Poll: Roman emperor influence
« on: August 18, 2006, 06:24:32 pm »
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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2006, 05:02:56 am »
I'd have thought Diocletian and Constantine I had more influence than Cara, but never mind, I do think Augustus was more influential than either, since he was the guy who created the concept of a Roman emperor in the first place.
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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2006, 02:32:49 pm »
I do think Augustus was more influential than either, since he was the guy who created the concept of a Roman emperor in the first place.

Exactly. That is why I, too, voted for Augustus.

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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2006, 04:54:24 pm »
I think Julius Caesar was the ggreatest....
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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2006, 06:09:10 pm »
Augustus managed to avoid the daggers, gain, I imagine, even more power than JC, and create a legacy which lasted up to the present. That's some achievement.
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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2006, 06:49:53 pm »
An empire and a monotheistic state church supporting one another to maintain their power is the legacy of Constantine, and that's why I chose him. Whether you like this or not is a quite different question.

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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2006, 01:20:52 am »
Technically not an emperor, JC did all the grunt work laying the foundations for the future Roman Emperors. 2nd I'd say Constantine because of the Church.

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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2006, 02:20:04 am »
I chose Constantine because of his involvement with cementing Christianity as the European religion for the next 1700 years.  Next, I would have chosen Augustus/JC, as they were the ones to refortify the old republic and allow the state to survive another 500 years in the west (1000 in the east) in a new form.  Because of them, Rome managed to stay together, and become more of an empire than an extended city-state.  Then I would say Trajan, because of his extension of Rome into so much more territory (also an attribute of JC and Aug.) which was ultimately shaped by it's Roman occupation.  Hadrian doesn't really belong on that list, in my opinion, as he never really nearly as much influence over the course of history as the others did.

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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2006, 06:33:34 am »
If Caesar hadn't lived, Augustus would not have become emperor...etc
Yet I think that Augustus was more the statesman than Caesar; Octavian organised the framework which was to last three centuries. Christianity would have survived anyway, Constantine or not. And long after the total decline of the Roman Empire did the forming of states take place only to reach something like its old Roman predecessor under Charlemagne in 800.

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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2006, 07:00:49 am »
At the moment I'm torn between Augustus and Constantine. Because of Constantine's involvement in the history of the Church I would still be tempted to nominate him. However, it was thanks to the Pax Romana, which, beginning with Augustus created the ideal conditions within the Empire for the spread of the Christian gospel in the first place.

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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2006, 11:32:48 am »
I think Augustus (Octavian) was the mack-daddy of all political chessmasters. 

As Octavian, his reign was brutal and merciless, although probably appropriate to the times. 

As Augustus, he completely transformed his public image into one of benevolence. 

Also as Augustus, he attained absolute powers while appearing to wield much less power in the minds of the plebeian classes. 

Although he owed most of his military successes to Marcus Agrippa and a few others, his political achievements were, for the most part, his own.

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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2006, 11:39:11 am »
Augustus is probably the most powerful man in human history(around a quarter of the worlds population under his direct control), Constantine just made it easier for a religion which was already beyond having any serious existential threats to it.
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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2006, 11:43:07 am »
Constantine also destroyed Empire in my opinion.  He should have never moved the capital to Byzantium.

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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2006, 11:47:19 am »
Quote from: Jeremy Wallace on August 22, 2006, 11:43:07 am
Constantine also destroyed Empire in my opinion.  He should have never moved the capital to Byzantium.

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Hmmm, I think it certainly doomed the Western half of the empire, but it allowed the Eastern half to endure for another 1100 years.
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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2006, 11:55:42 am »
I'll agree with that but the Eastern Empire was nothing like the Western Empire.  It was only Roman in name so in my opinion not really ROman any more.


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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2006, 12:12:52 pm »
They were always very different though, if anything the East was more advanced and sophisticated than the Western empire even in Augustus' time. The Byzantine/Romaion empire was just the evolution of Rome.
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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2006, 08:32:44 pm »
I picked Augustus out of the above choices. Without him, the Roman Empire would not have existed as we know it.

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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2006, 10:56:54 am »
Augustus - maybe a very personal point of view of a collector who thinks that termination of civil war, global peace, a stable monetary system, manifold provincial coinage, big bronze coins, fineness and good style are evidence for positive influence.

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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2006, 11:07:09 am »
Hey - we're talking about influence, not positive influence here. ;)

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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2006, 11:13:47 am »
Quote from Augustus on his deathbed (Octavian):

I found Rome of clay; I leave it to you of marble

[Cassius Dio 56.30.3]

I think that quote covers more than the physical attributes of the city - the political and economical could also be considered to have been transformed in the same manner.  The beginnings of the PAX Romana was a truly great accomplishment.

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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2006, 02:14:46 pm »
Constantine was the most influential of Roman emperors (and I know this for a fact ;D).

"Constantine was the most influential of the Roman emperors, and his actions and deeds are still affecting people to this day"(not a whole lot of influence from Augustus still...wait a minute...the month of August).

An interesting question to ask is, “without Constantine would Christianity have flourished?”

The Catholic Church went on to become the most important institution in medieval Europe. It was a part of everyones life from cradle to grave. Out of the three groups: those who fight, those who pray and those who work, those who prayed were the first estate. They were most important as they got people into heaven. Priests prayed for your soul while you either worked or fought.

We are talking over a 1,000 years of direct influence here. Medieval Europe transformed into modern Europe, but Constantine's influence and that of the Church did not disappear. Just one example- the colonization of the New World. This can be viewed as one of the many Crusades. The Crusades were started by the Church. Understanding crusading is integral to understanding the medieval world; and the Church found loopholes to justify crusading from examples set by Constantine and writings of early Church fathers like Augustine.

I could go on for quite a while, but when we are talking most influential, "there can be only one!"








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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2006, 04:51:51 pm »
Hi all
Augustus for me too, because he created the empire

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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2006, 05:25:46 pm »
I chose Hadrian because nobody else did.  I didn't want him to feel left out. :'(

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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2006, 09:53:31 pm »
Augustus, as he had a month named after him. A summer one yet.  ;D
Actually, Constantine is a close second. Would Christianity have developed in a similar manner without him? I wonder. might make a good novel.  Joe

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Re: Poll: Roman emperor influence
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2006, 08:21:16 am »
I love this kind of mental exercise. Really, if you are going to say who was the most important personality then the earlier they lived then the stronger their claim. This is simply because if there had been no Caesar then there would be no empire for Augustus to take over. If there was no Augustus to make the empire into a lasting entity then there would have been no Trajan- and so on. Having said all that, I'm going to vote for Constantine! Love him or hate him (I'm willing to bet very few LOVE him!) he created the Middle Ages and gave the Church the task of transmitting civilization into the future. The world is largely the way it is today because Constantine won the battle at the Milivian Bridge

 

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