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Offline Perikles

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Help with greek with apple on reverse
« on: October 20, 2015, 06:58:21 pm »
Hallo,
i need help to identify this coin:
diameter: 13 mm
weight: 1,81gr
obverse: Artemis with quiver below
reverser: apple

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Re: Help with greek with apple on reverse
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2015, 07:22:11 pm »
Possibly Side Pamphylia.
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Re: Help with greek with apple on reverse
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2015, 02:50:09 am »

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Re: Help with greek with apple on reverse
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2015, 07:36:01 am »
Thanks to all of you!

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Re: Help with greek with apple on reverse
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2015, 09:27:53 am »
I have the same coin and wasn't conviced at the time. But I think it fits and is most likely a pomegranate.
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Re: Help with greek with apple on reverse
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2015, 05:40:48 pm »
It must be a pomegranate but it looks like so much an apple...
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Re: Help with greek with apple on reverse
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2015, 04:11:24 pm »
It must be a pomegranate but it looks like so much an apple...

Why 'must' it be a pomegranate? 

Since the etymology of the words 'apple' and 'pomegranate' links them, it wouldn't be too surprising to learn that ancient Greeks considered them alike or used interchangeable words for both.  The shapes are so similar that it's not all that obvious which is actually depicted on this coin.

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Re: Help with greek with apple on reverse
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2015, 08:23:53 am »
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The ancient greeks called the apple ΜΗΛΟΝ and the pomegranate ΣΙΔΗ,
as i know as greek (although the pomegranate in new greek is ΡΟΔΙ)
In my coin this fruit looks like very much to an apple but for two reasons  i think that is a pomegranate and comes from Pamphylia.
Firstly because there was the temple of Pergaia Artemis (although this bust of Artemis is the same as to some coins from Ephesos) and because the pomegranate has given the name to the city Side in Pamphylia.
Secondly because if somebody turn the photos upside down, he can see that the little thing under the ''apple'' can be the crown of a pomegranate fruit.
The strange is that a pomegranate doesnt have usually this shape.

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Re: Help with greek with apple on reverse
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2016, 04:10:25 pm »
PtolemAE
The ancient greeks called the apple ΜΗΛΟΝ and the pomegranate ΣΙΔΗ,
as i know as greek (although the pomegranate in new greek is ΡΟΔΙ)
In my coin this fruit looks like very much to an apple but for two reasons  i think that is a pomegranate and comes from Pamphylia.
Firstly because there was the temple of Pergaia Artemis (although this bust of Artemis is the same as to some coins from Ephesos) and because the pomegranate has given the name to the city Side in Pamphylia.
Secondly because if somebody turn the photos upside down, he can see that the little thing under the ''apple'' can be the crown of a pomegranate fruit.
The strange is that a pomegranate doesnt have usually this shape.

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As you wrote Perikles, ΜΗΛΟΝ in ancient greek is apple that's why on the coins of the island of Melos (ΜΗΛΟΣ) we can see an apple...  http://wildwinds.com/coins/greece/cyclades/melos/t.html

Even if i'm new in the world of ancient coins i'll agree that is possibly Side Pamphylia.



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Re: Help with greek with apple on reverse
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2016, 04:38:33 pm »
ArchCon, you can see that even in Wildwinds sometimes there are misunderstandings. Apple is derscribed as pomegranate.

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Re: Help with greek with apple on reverse
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2016, 04:52:21 pm »
Side was founded by Greeks from Cyme, Aeolis, most likely in the 7th century B.C. The settlers started using the local language and over time forgot their native Greek. Excavations have revealed inscriptions written in this language, still undeciphered, dating from as late as the 2nd century B.C. The name Side is from this indigenous Anatolian language and means pomegranate.
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Re: Help with greek with apple on reverse
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2016, 05:10:54 pm »
Ιn ancient greek the pomegranate is also known as ΡΟΑ (ῥόα).

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