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Offline Enodia

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A Swarm of Bugs!
« on: May 10, 2015, 09:44:24 pm »
i don't expect this topic will generate as much response as some of the other collective topics have, as insects are not a common theme on ancient coins. however they are not completely unknown either, with bees and wasps, flys, grasshoppers and cicadas, and various other creepy crawlys depicted. so let's pin some of them here!

i'll start us off with this bronze bee from Ephesus...
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Re: A Swarm of bugs!
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2015, 10:52:48 pm »
How about this one:

Mylasa, Caria
450-400 B.C.
Silver Hemiobol
0.58 gm, 8 mm
Obv: Forepart of lion facing, seen from above.
Rev: Scorpion within incuse square.

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Re: A Swarm of bugs!
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2015, 03:44:11 am »
IONIA, Ephesos. Æ. Kyandros, magistrate. Circa 200 BC,
Reference.
SNG Kayhan 290 var. (magistrate); SNG Copenhagen 263-6 var. (same).

Obv. E-Φ
Bee within wreath.

Rev. Kyandros
Stag standing right, head reverted; quiver above.

1.97 gr
12 mm
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Re: A Swarm of bugs!
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2015, 07:32:42 am »
Here's a grasshopper over a man-faced bull:

CAMPANIA, Neapolis, AE Obol, 4.69g. Laureate head of Apollo left, NEAPOLITWN before, dotted border/ Man-faced bull standing right on single line, head facing, grasshopper above, nothing below, NEAPOLITWN in ex. Sambon 646; Taliercio IIa, 34.

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Re: A Swarm of Bugs!
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2015, 07:46:22 am »
Our example:

Ionia, Ephesos, (c.B.C.), AE-14, Imhoof-Blumer, Kleinasiatische Münzen, p.54 no.40., Stag standing right,

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Re: A Swarm of Bugs!
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2015, 08:17:38 am »

7 bees with one blow.

Ephesos, SNG Keckman II 219

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Re: A Swarm of Bugs!
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2015, 08:20:59 am »

7 bees with one blow.

Ephesos, SNG Keckman II 219

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 Nice group  :)

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Re: A Swarm of Bugs!
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2015, 08:33:40 am »
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Re: A Swarm of Bugs!
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2016, 04:26:23 pm »
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Re: A Swarm of Bugs!
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2016, 05:10:22 pm »
Another scorpion:

Kingdom of Commagene, Antiochos IV Epiphanias, AD 38-72
AE 28, 13.32g, 27.71mm, 30°
obv. BASIL[EVS MEG] - AS ANTIOXOS
       Head, diademed, r.
rev. KOMMAG - HNWN
       Scorpion in laurel wreath, between pincers A
ref. RPC I, 3854
F+

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Re: A Swarm of Bugs!
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2016, 06:29:25 pm »
The great majority of the bees hold their wings back at an angle, which is generally seen in dead bees, but almost never in live ones. If live ones do hold their wings that way, it's a sign that they're dying of a particular disease; I've never seen it. Live bees hold them right back against the abdomen, and i've yet to see a coin bee like that. I've seen coin bees with very short abdomens, which are usually seen in dried museum specimens. Sometimes (not always by any means) they're quite accurate in other respects. So some people presumably used dead bees as models, others used their imaginations. They didn't know live bees well.
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Re: A Swarm of Bugs!
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2017, 01:51:58 pm »
here's a bee, long dead i'm afraid, which i just acquired...

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-138045

Taras, 272-235 BC, AR Didrachm
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Re: A Swarm of Bugs!
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2017, 12:17:04 pm »
Hi Pete,

I have a Campania, Neapolis AR MFB didrachm with a bee symbol (first coin):

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/gi_camp_neap_ar03.htm


I also have a Sicily, Alaisa(?) AE coin with a locust symbol (first coin):

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/gs_sicl_alaisa.htm

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Re: A Swarm of Bugs!
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2017, 04:04:37 am »
Nice!

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Re: A Swarm of Bugs!
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2017, 04:31:11 am »
Arados fourrée, my sorry looking Bee.


Phoenicia, Arados 172-109 B.C

AR 16.60mm (Thickness 1.91mm), weight 2.47g, die axis = 8h (240 degrees), Drachm (Fourrée).

Obverse: Bee with straight wings, letters Λ (lamda) & E (epsilon) in left field - representing era date (135 ?), monogram in right.

Reverse: ΑΡΑΔΙΩΝ, Stag standing right with palm tree behind.


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Re: A Swarm of Bugs!
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2017, 09:04:17 pm »
here's a small swarm of bees which i recently added to my collection, both from Ephesus. the first is a diobol from the middle of the 4th century BC...
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-138209

the second is also a diobol, but of a much earlier date...
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-138281

from my gallery thread regarding this second coin...

That's an anatomically reasonable bee, with the wings in the position adopted by flies, and a shortened abdomen. That's what a dead and dried bee looks like, and it's very common, so I suspect they tended to work from old dried specimens at times.

while i don't have anywhere near the knowledge that Robert has, from my own slight personal experience with keeping bees i'd have to say "I agree". however i still like the artistic style of the first coin.

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Re: A Swarm of Bugs!
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2017, 06:17:23 am »
Nice!

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Re: A Swarm of Bugs!
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2017, 03:32:17 pm »
since collecting themes have been discussed recently I thought I'd take the opportunity to bump up some of the theme threads which have gotten buried over time. I'll spread them out a bit to avoid crowding out anybody's gallery posts.

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