Faustina II twins

[Amentia]

Both coins share the same centering, flan shape and wear.
But they were for sale at the same time so it isn´t possible that it is the same coin cleaned and unclaned.
The weight of the 1 coin (above) is pretty low 4,76 g but the corrosion and surface looks convinving.
The N of ΦAVCTEINA is only visible on the lower coin, on the coin above it disapperared, if the upper coin is host they would have to reengrave the N.
There is a deep scratch on the chin on the coin above that isn´t  visible on the lower coin.

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Your opinions are appreciated

[Hydatius]

Post the photos, not the links. The links will soon be dead.

Richard

[Pekka K]

Upper coin (other ended):

[Amentia]

Sorry.

[Akropolis]

They seem to be from the same mold/mould....hence, cast fakes.
PeteB

[moneta_auction]

the coin is a genuine, buy for the first time in the ended auction and then sell from another customer.

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moneta_auction

[Amentia]

My first thought was that it is the same coin only cleaned, too but this isn´t possible.

One coin was sold on 30 January.
Other coin is currently for sale but the listing begun before the other coin was sold.
 
To the coin currently for sale (13d15H) left:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/duration.html

There are only these duration available : "duration of 1, 3, 5, 7, or 10 days. If you're using the fixed price format, you can also choose a 30-day"

14 Days listings arent possible and if 14 days listings would be possible it wouldn´t change anyting because the time till ending was 14d11 when I first looked at it yesterday.(more than14 days)

21 days listing doesn´t exist and even if possible then the coin must have been paid, shipped, cleaned and listed within 3 days.

There is still more than 10 days left (13d15H) so it can only be the 30 days listing, 13d15h left means that it was listed 16d9h before = 26 January.

I looked who bought the coin o***o ( 354) this ins´t the new seller who is  gallery_perfektsionista (861 ) and who offers it currently.

The first coin looks genuine but the weight 4,76 g  pretty low, there is a much much much much more worn specimen from forum which still weighs more (5.351g)

http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=19829

[Adon]

Delete this thread please, seller misunderstood me and ended listing although the (upper) second coin is perfectly authentic.
It is actually not the same coin that was sold on 30 January, asked seller.

The (upper) second coin was the host Diameter 23-22mm and the lower coin Diameter ~21mm is cast.
The difference in diameter is due to shrinkage of the cast fake when it cooled down.

"When density is lower, fused metal occupies more volume and less weight is allowed inside mould. Or said in other words, when melted a gram occupies more volumen than same gram at room temperature. So, when they cold, they shrink...
That allows us to see the cast ones (bad ones....if forger is good, makes mould bigger and then weight and size cold are same as the original ones...)"

[Lacedaemon]

I don't see how either coin could be the host as they both seem to exhibit small details absent from the other. The size difference is more likely due to measuring different angles of the uneven shape of the coin.

A pair of cast fakes.

[moneta_auction]

Delete this thread please, seller misunderstood me and ended listing although the (upper) second coin is perfectly authentic.
It is actually not the same coin that was sold on 30 January, asked seller.

The (upper) second coin was the host Diameter 23-22mm and the lower coin Diameter ~21mm is cast.
The difference in diameter is due to shrinkage of the cast fake when it cooled down.

"When density is lower, fused metal occupies more volume and less weight is allowed inside mould. Or said in other words, when melted a gram occupies more volumen than same gram at room temperature. So, when they cold, they shrink...
That allows us to see the cast ones (bad ones....if forger is good, makes mould bigger and then weight and size cold are same as the original ones...)"

I think that Adon is right, the coin in a yellow background is a authentic, another is a cast fake.

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[Joe Sermarini]

I agree the yellow background coin appears to be the genuine original, the other a cast. Fake coin report please.

[Marius2]

"I don't see how either coin could be the host as they both seem to exhibit small details absent from the other. The size difference is more likely due to measuring different angles of the uneven shape of the coin."

I can explain the differences like that the N of ΦAVCTEINA is only visible on the lower coin.
The missing N, some holes and scratches that are visible now are the result of harshly cleaning, the holes and scratches were covered before under patina or encrustations.
The cast coin shows how the host coin looked like before it was cleaned.
The upper coin was use to create a mould before it was cleaned.
Now that the host (seed) was harshly cleaned it looks differnent compared to the cast fake that shows how it looked before cleaning.

[moneta_auction]

I agree the yellow background coin appears to be the genuine original, the other a cast. Fake coin report please.

Done

[Joe Sermarini]

Thanks.