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Macrinus - Wolf and twins?
« on: December 29, 2005, 06:34:51 pm »
Hi all!
I believe this may be a Macrinus with the wolf and twins reverse.
I can read IMP M OPEL SEV on the obverse and COLFLPACDEV (LT) on the reverse.
I was hoping that someone could help me out a little, and if it is confirmed maybe a reference number.
Thanks!

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Re: Macrinus - Wolf and twins?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2005, 06:49:22 pm »
It is Macrinus indeed, but I can't find an online reference for you! I don't have Yurukova!

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Re: Macrinus - Wolf and twins?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2005, 07:01:35 pm »
I think it is from Deultum, Moushmov 3541 (according to http://www.wildwinds.com/moushmov/deultum.html).
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Re: Macrinus - Wolf and twins?
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2005, 07:18:49 pm »
I agree with Deultum but it looks different from the plate example.
Also I see ALEX in the obverse legend....Am I looking at the right example?

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Re: Macrinus - Wolf and twins?
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2005, 07:26:48 pm »
Because the coins of Macrinus and Severus Alexander have the same reverse depiction they have the same Moushmov number.

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Re: Macrinus - Wolf and twins?
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2005, 07:29:03 pm »
Ahhhh, I see.....Thank you Jochen!
Still the reverse legend is slightly different, does that make a whole lot of difference in the ID?

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Re: Macrinus - Wolf and twins?
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2005, 07:33:58 pm »
I have learned here on the Forum that Moushmov is a bad source for attribution. I use it only if I need information I can't get from the coin directly, f.e. confirmation of the emperor or the depiction of the reverse.

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Re: Macrinus - Wolf and twins?
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2005, 12:37:34 am »
Jurukova (1973) p. 68, no. 55, citing specimens in Sofia and Paris (though I don't have the plates for Macrinus in my photocopy).  That being so, Varbanov II surely lists it, but he doesn't illustrate it.  Pat L.

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Re: Macrinus - Wolf and twins?
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2005, 10:19:07 am »
     Jurukova, unfortunately, does not illustrate the coin.
     According to her legend code, the obv. legend should begin IMP C M OPEL, but this is probably just a misprint, the C should be omitted as Stickman's coin showsCohen 168 describes the same Paris spec. of the coin as Jurukova 55, but Cohen omits the C in obv. legend.
     It is not correct that Mouchmov gives the same number to Wolf and Twins coins of Macrinus and Sev. Alex. because the rev. type is the same.  The problem lies elsewhere, namely in Mouchmov's confusing practice of giving plate references whenever the rev. type is the same, even if the emperor and mint of the illustrated coin are different!
    In this case, Mouchmov pl. XXII.2 illustrates his no. 3587 of Sev. Alex. at Deultum.  However, he gives the same plate reference for his no. 3541 of Macrinus, because the Wolf and Twins rev. type is similar!
    When Dave Surber was producing his English translation of Mouchmov, I suggested that these superfluous plate references should be eliminated, and only those references left where the illustration is exactly the coin described.  Unfortunately my advice was not followed!
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