Lucius Verus limes AE denarius with double strike

[timka]

Hi!

I have read in earlier threads that AE limes denarii are all casts. Yes, most them look like casts....

...but have a look at this AE denarius with double strike on obverse - so, is it a cast of silver denarius with double strike? or it could be a minted AE denarius, as double strike implies minting, not casting?

2,4 g -18mm - 180'

Thank you,

Z.

[SC]

Fascinating.  I believe that the cast limes falsa were made by pressing originals into a clay which was then fired to create a mould. 

I wonder if you could get the "double-strike" effect by pressing the original 'master" coin down into the clay twice?  A slight shift between pressings?  Or if it could only come from using a double struck denarius?

Shawn
 

[okidoki]

this core is copper then two halves of silver are struck on i believe, so is core is struck one could have a double strike?

[timka]

Hi Shawn, Hi Eric, Thank you for your comments!... I got no clue about reasons of this double strike. I also believed that double strike could not appear on limes AE denarius, until I got this one.

Eric, there is no core, or overlaying silver there.... this coin is homogeneous

[okidoki]

Hi Shawn, Hi Eric, Thank you for your comments!... I got no clue about reasons of this double strike. I also believed that double strike could not appear on limes AE denarius, until I got this one.

Eric, there is no core, or overlaying silver there.... this coin is homogeneous

the silver plating is gone, the core is left and that core was struck if i remember correctly

[Jay GT4]

Hi Shawn, Hi Eric, Thank you for your comments!... I got no clue about reasons of this double strike. I also believed that double strike could not appear on limes AE denarius, until I got this one.

Eric, there is no core, or overlaying silver there.... this coin is homogeneous

the silver plating is gone, the core is left and that core was struck if i remember correctly

This isn't a fouree but a limes denarius. 

[okidoki]

limes is same as i remember same way made?
only limes more or less official
or am i mistakes here?

[SC]

A fouree is struck.  It is counterfeit of a precious metal coin made by striking a base metal version.  It was plated in the precious metal either before or after striking.  Fouree denarii are most common but there are fouree gold coins too.

A limes denarius is cast.  It is made in base metal from moulds made from original coins.  I don't know if most were ever silvered.  Does anyone know of evidence of any being silvered?

There are other limes falsa too - cast sestertii, dupondii and asses.  The originals used tend to date from 2nd to early-3rd century. 

Shawn

   

[okidoki]

ah thank you Shawn, i was with the idea that limes were also plated because they are called limes denarii

here are my limes plated fouree
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=5729
barbarous imitations
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=5728

[Jay GT4]

I don't know if they were ever silvered.  I have a few which more or less look like very tarnished silver but I don't want to clean them for fear of what will be underneath!

[Joe Sermarini]

Fascinating.  I believe that the cast limes falsa were made by pressing originals into a clay which was then fired to create a mould. 

I wonder if you could get the "double-strike" effect by pressing the original 'master" coin down into the clay twice?  A slight shift between pressings?  Or if it could only come from using a double struck denarius?

Shawn
 

I believe double pressed into the clay to make the mold is the most likely explanation.