Numismatic and History Discussion Forums => Classical Numismatics Books and References Discussion Forum => Topic started by: esnible on January 15, 2007, 01:03:48 pm
Title: Online Eckhel
Post by: esnible on January 15, 2007, 01:03:48 pm
Google has put all eight volumes of Eckhel's 18th century Latin work, Doctrina Numorum Veterum, online.
A web page with links to each city/emperor to the page discussing would be of value. (I'm attempting to do a link page like that for Google's copy of Mionnet's Greek catalog.)
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: curtislclay on January 15, 2007, 02:11:37 pm
Great, that eliminates one of the two major hurdles blocking the average collector from accessing this wonderful work, namely, getting your hands on the text! Only major libraries will have it, and it would take patient searching and a substantial sum of money to acquire a copy for yourself.
Unfortunately there is no easy way to surmount the second hurdle, learning enough Latin to be able to read the text! However, I think those who know some Latin and are familiar with numismatics will find Eckhel a lot easier to read than most ancient Latin texts.
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: slokind on January 15, 2007, 10:45:47 pm
Indeed, the catalogue itself is very easy to read. And he's easier than the average OCT Introduction. Pat
Title: Re: Online Eckhel / Mionnet
Post by: archivum on February 27, 2008, 10:29:32 am
[( See now Reply #9, Online Eckhel / Mionnet Navigation )]
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: esnible on February 27, 2008, 12:03:03 pm
That's a pretty good list of Mionnet! I wasn't able to find supplement volumes 5, 7, or 8 myself!
Amazon has a copy of Mionnet v. 2 online at http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0543951731/
It Amazon's scan of Elibron's commercial copy, so it isn't downloadable, but it is searchable and I've found some good stuff in it.
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: mauseus on February 27, 2008, 01:12:00 pm
Hi,
Can't provide a link (as I haven't preserved it) but all Mionnet, except for one of the original volumes (I think it is volume 2 of the original series, 1808) is available if you search hard enough. All of the Supplement is there. Check the "other editions" tab etc. on each volume you find because they aren't necessarily all interlinked.
Regards,
Mauseus
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: esnible on February 27, 2008, 01:39:51 pm
Supplement v. 2 is at http://books.google.com/books?id=cuzh_HoxYHwC&pg=PP7 . I forgot to include it in my reply above.
Mauseus, if you can find suppliment v. 6 again we'll have them all.
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: mauseus on February 27, 2008, 01:50:22 pm
Hi,
Advanced search, keyword Mionnet, publication date 1833 will pick it up, just tried it.
Regards,
M
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: Bacchus on March 03, 2008, 07:43:55 am
This great thread should be a sticky.
MAlcolm
Title: Online Eckhel / Mionnet Navigation (All Volumes Complete!)
Post by: archivum on March 03, 2008, 10:27:27 pm
OK, once more with feeling, and clearly much help from our friends:
First-time visitors note: a fully hyperlinked index to all of these volumes would be a great tool but a terrible chore to produce; since both Eckhel and Mionnet are elaborately multiple-indexed to start with in a way that the Google Books text-search can often enrich, as an interim help I have posted these links to the old volume-summaries and topical indices *, so that you'll know which volume(s) to browse through to find what you need. You will have better luck with the latest Explorer or Firefox 3 than with earlier versions of either of these browsers (for details, see Reply #15); major works have occasionally just vanished from Google Books, so it makes sense to download all these texts as soon as you can.
The general scope and character of Eckhel's conspectus of ancient numismatics:
(Vols. 1-4 Ethnics index at http://books.google.com/books?id=KyuSfW2B2OYC&printsec=titlepage#PPA505,M1, Rulers index at http://books.google.com/books?id=KyuSfW2B2OYC&printsec=titlepage#PPA522,M1, Singular Inscriptions index at http://books.google.com/books?id=KyuSfW2B2OYC&printsec=titlepage#PPA527,M1, Index rerum at http://books.google.com/books?id=KyuSfW2B2OYC&printsec=titlepage#PPA535,M1)
(Vols. 5-8 Emperors index at http://books.google.com/books?id=kUymPHHOaPkC&printsec=titlepage#PRA1-PA527,M1, Inscriptions index at http://books.google.com/books?id=kUymPHHOaPkC&printsec=titlepage#PRA1-PA533,M1, Index rerum at http://books.google.com/books?id=kUymPHHOaPkC&printsec=titlepage#PRA1-PA557,M1, Vols. 1-8 Addenda at http://books.google.com/books?id=kUymPHHOaPkC&printsec=titlepage#PRA2-PA3,M1)
The general character of Mionnet's project, noting Mionnet's scarcity-keyed valuations in Francs (to convert early-19th-c. Francs to early-21st-c. Dollars, multiply by 8+):
From a Google Books bibliographical entry (transcript cleaned up in minor details):
"Le titre porte 'Supplément' dans les vols. qui suivent le tome 6. Le tomaison recommence de 1 a 9. + 1 v. de pl. et 1 table générale." (English: "The title includes 'Supplement" in the volumes that follow Vol. 6. The volume-numbering starts over with Vols. 1-9 + 1 vol. of plates and 1 vol. of tables générales.")
Summary of Mionnet's Tables Générales (a volume also unevenly text-searchable for particular ethnics, etc., as addressed in the rest of the volumes) http://books.google.com/books?id=hNoYAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:061quI7ux_T9HBVLVu#PPA307,M1 (apparently another copy, bound with Supp. vol. 9: http://books.google.com/books?id=CUygsJO27lYC&pg=RA1-PA171&dq=inauthor:mionnet+testu&as_brr=1#PRA3-PA307,M1)
* Of course there's also nothing to stop you from loading a general index or summary in one browser window and one or more referenced volumes in other windows; you'll have more success tracking down index-references by hand than by trusting to Google's inset-hyperlinks, which are often keyed to the wrong volumes. Please remember that we cannot control the way Google Books formats the volumes they scan; let us thankfully make what we can of what goods we receive. By the way, you can generally jump to particular pages once you access particular volumes in Google, but can do so more easily in some of those volumes than others; in some volumes (the ones that do not display numbers in Google Books' page-number windows), to reach a particular page you will need to insert the page number by hand in the web-address heading the page (sometimes adding or dropping a couple of pages for good measure), copy that new address, and load it in a new browser-window.
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: esnible on March 03, 2008, 11:18:30 pm
I started writing an HTML table-of-contents for Eckhel and Mionnet with directly links to the pages but they aren't ready.
This thread coverts both Eckhel and Mionnet; probably it should be split.
Eckhel Greek: Greek
Hispania (vol. 1, p. 1) Gallia (vol. 1, p. 62) Britannia (vol. 1, p. 80) Germania (vol. 1, p. 81) Italia cum insulis (vol. 1, p. 82) Chersonesus Taurica (vol. 2, p. 1) Samatia Europaea (vol. 2, p. 3) Dacia (vol. 2, p. 4) Moesia superior (vol. 2, p. 6) (pages 6-7 missing in this copy) Moesia inferior (vol. 2, p. 13) Thracia (vol. 2, p. 19) Chersonesus Thracia (vol. 2, p. 49) Paeonia (vol. 2, p. 60) Macedonia (vol. 2, p. 61) Thessalia (vol. 2, p. 132) Liburnia (vol. 2, p. 151) Dalmatia (vol. 2, p. 152) Illyricum (vol. 2, p. 152) (page 156 missing) Epirus (vol. 2, p. 160) Corcyra (vol. 2, p. 177) Acarnania (vol. 2, p. 183) Aetolia (vol. 2, p. 188) Locris (vol. 2, p. 190) Phocis (vol. 2, p. 193) Boeotia (vol. 2, p. 195) Attica (vol. 2, p. 205) Peloponnesus (vol. 2, p. 228) Achaia (vol. 2, p. 229) Elis (vol. 2, p. 263) Cephallenia ins. (vol. 2, p. 270) Messenia (vol. 2, p. 275) Laconia (vol. 2, p. 278) Argolis (vol. 2, p. 286) Arcadia (vol. 2, p. 292) Creta ins. (vol. 2, p. 300) Euboea ins. (vol. 2, p. 322) (Missing pages 323-4) Insulae Aegaei minores Europaeae (vol. 2, p. 325) (Missing page 328) Boporus Cimmerius (vol. 2, p. 339) Pontus (vol. 2, p. 340) Paphlagonia (vol. 2, p. 383) Bithynia (vol. 2, p. 396) Mysia (vol. 2, p. 448) Troas (vol. 2, p. 478) Aeolis (vol. 2, p. 491) Lesbus ins. (vol. 2, p. 500) Ionia (vol. 2, p. 505) Caria (vol. 2, p. 571) Lycia (vol. 3, p. 1) Pamphylia (vol. 3, p. 7) Pisidia (vol. 3, p. 18) Isauria (vol. 3, p. 28) Lycaonia (vol. 3, p. 30) Cilicia (vol. 3, p. 35) (Missing pages 56 and 57) Cyprus (vol. 3, p. 84) Lydia (vol. 3, p. 90) Phrygia (vol. 3, p. 127) Galatia (vol. 3, p. 176) Cappadocia (vol. 3, p. 186) Armenia (vol. 3, p. 202) Syriae reges (vol. 3, p. 209) Commagene (vol. 3, p. 249) Cyrrhestica (vol. 3, p. 259) Chalcidene (vol. 3, p. 263) Palmyra (vol. 3, p. 265) Seleucis et Pieria (vol. 3, p. 266) (Missing 316) Coelesyria (vol. 3, p. 328) Trachonitis Ituraea (vol. 3, p. 339) Decapolis (vol. 3, p. 345) Phoenice (vol. 3, p. 353) Galilaea (vol. 3, p. 422) Samaritis (vol. 3, p. 428) Iudaea (vol. 3, p. 441) Arabia (vol. 3, p. 499) Mesopotami (vol. 3, p. 505) Parthia (vol. 3, p. 522) Persia (vol. 3, p. 551) Bactriana (vol. 3, p. 556) Alphabectum Phoenicium et Samaritanum (vol. 3, p. 404?) Aegyptus (vol. 4, p. 1) (Missing pages 5,6, and 9) Numi Alexandrini (vol. 4, p. 26) (Missing pages 56, 66-71 and 76-8) Nomi Aegypti (vol. 4, p. 99) Marmarica (vol. 4, p. 116) Cyrenaica (vol. 4, p. 117) Syrtica (vol. 4, p. 130) Byzacene (vol. 4, p. 133) Zeugitana (vol. 4, p. 136) (Missing pages 146 and 147) Numidia (vol. 4, p. 152) Maurentania (vol. 4, p. 153) (Missing page 156) Numi populorum, urbiumque incertarum (vol. 4, p. 162) Numi regum incertorum (vol. 4, p. 167) Numi barbarorum (vol. 4, p. 170) Plagia barbarorum numismatica (vol. 4, p. 176)
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: esnible on March 03, 2008, 11:19:38 pm
Eckhel Roman
Julius Caesar (vol. 6, p. 1) (Missing page 5) M. Brutus (vol. 6, p. 19) C. Cassius (vol. 6, p. 25) Sex. Pompejus (vol. 6, p. 27) 26? Lepidus IIIvir (vol. 6, p. 34) Antonius IIIvir (vol. 6, p. 35) Antonius IIIviri fil (vol. 6, p. 68) C. et L. Antonius IIIviris fratres (vol. 6, p. 68) Augustus (vol. 6, p. 69) Livia Augusti (vol. 6, p. 146) Octavia Augusti sor (vol. 6, p. 159) Marcellus Octaviae fil (vol. 6, p. 161) M. Agrippa (vol. 6, p. 162) Julia Augusti fil (vol. 6, p. 167) Caius et Lucius Agrippae filii (vol. 6, p. 169) Agrippa Postumus (vol. 6, p. 174) Drusus senior (vol. 6, p. 175) Antonia Drusi (vol. 6, p. 178) Tiberius Aug (vol. 6, p. 182) Drusus jun. Ti. fil. (vol. 6, p. 202) (Pages out of order; sequence is 200, 207, 202, 203, 204, 206, 208, 209. 205 is missing) Tiberius et. N. gemelli Drusi jun. filii (vol. 6, p. 207) Germanicus (vol. 6, p. 208) Agrippina Germanici (vol. 6, p. 212) Nero et Drusus Germanici filii (vol. 6, p. 216) Caligula (vol. 6, p. 218) Drusilla Caligulae sor (vol. 6, p. 231) Livilla Caligulae sor (vol. 6, p. 232) Claudius (Ti.) (vol. 6, p. 233) (Missing page 235) Antonia Claudii fil (vol. 6, p. 251) Messalina Claudii (vol. 6, p. 251) Britannicus (vol. 6, p. 253) Agrippina Claudii (vol. 6, p. 255) Nero (vol. 6, p. 260) Octavia Neronis (vol. 6, p. 285) Claudia Neronis filia (vol. 6, p. 286) Messalina Neronis (vol. 6, p. 287) Claudius Macer (vol. 6, p. 288) Galba (vol. 6, p. 290) Otho (vol. 6, p. 300) Vitellius (vol. 6, p. 308) Vespasianus (vol. 6, p. 319) Domitilla Vespaiani (vol. 6, p. 345) Domitilla Polla Vesp. mat (vol. 6, p. 349) Titus (vol. 6, p. 350) Julia Titi filia (vol. 6, p. 365) (Missing page 366) Domitianus (vol. 6, p. 367) (Missing pages 368-373, 375, 377, 379) Domitia Domitiani (vol. 6, p. 399) Vespasianus junior (vol. 6, p. 402) Nerva (vol. 6, p. 403) Trajanus (vol. 6, p. 411) Plotina Trajani (vol. 6, p. 465) Marciana Trajani sor (vol. 6, p. 467) Matidia Marcianae fil (vol. 6, p. 469) Harianus (vol. 6, p. 473) Sabina Hadriani (vol. 6, p. 519) Aelius Caesar (vol. 6, p. 524) Antinous (vol. 6, p. 528) Antoninus Pius (vol. 7, p. 1) (Missing page 34) Faustina sen. (vol. 7, p. 37) Galerius Antoninus (vol. 7, p. 42) M. Aurel. Antoninus (vol. 7, p. 43) Faustina jun. (vol. 7, p. 76) Annius Verus (vol. 7, p. 82) L. Verus (vol. 7, p. 87) Lucilla Veri (vol. 7, p. 98) Commodus (vol. 7, p. 102) Crispina Commodi (vol. 7, p. 138) Pertinax (vol. 7, p. 140) Titiana Pertinacis (vol. 7, p. 146) Didius Julianus (vol. 7, p. 147) Scantilla Juliani (vol. 7, p. 150) Clara Juliani fil (vol. 7, p. 151) Pescennius Niger (vol. 7, p. 152) (Missing page 156) Clodius Albinus (vol. 7, p. 161) Severus (vol. 7, p. 166) Domna Severi (vol. 7, p. 194) Caracalla (vol. 7, p. 199) Plautilla Caracallae (vol. 7, p. 224) Geta (vol. 7, p. 227) (Missing page 236) Macrinus (vol. 7, p. 236) Diadumenianus (vol. 7, p. 240) Elagabalus (vol. 7, p. 244) Cornelia Paula Elagabali (vol. 7, p. 258) Aquilia Severa Elagabali (vol. 7, p. 259) Annia Faustina Elagabali (vol. 7, p. 260) Soaemias Elagabali mater (vol. 7, p. 264) Maesa Elagabali avia (vol. 7, p. 266) Alexander Severus (vol. 7, p. 267) (Missing pages 276 and 277) Orbiana Alex. Severi (vol. 7, p. 284) Mamaea Alex. Severi mater (vol. 7, p. 286) Uranius Antoninus (vol. 7, p. 288) Sulpicius Antoninus (vol. 7, p. 288) Maximinus I (vol. 7, p. 290) Paulina Maximini I (vol. 7, p. 296) Maximus Caesar (vol. 7, p. 297) T. Quartinus (vol. 7, p. 299) Gordianus I (vol. 7, p. 299) Gordianus II (vol. 7, p. 300) Balbinus, et Pupienus (vol. 7, p. 305) Gordianus III (vol. 7, p. 309) Tranquillina Gordiani III (vol. 7, p. 318) Philippus I (vol. 7, p. 320) Otacilia Philippi I (vol. 7, p. 332) Philippus II (vol. 7, p. 333) (Missing page 336) Marinus (vol. 7, p. 337) Pacatianus (vol. 7, p. 338) Sponsianus (vol. 7, p. 340) Decius (vol. 7, p. 342) Etruscilla Decii (vol. 7, p. 347) Herennis (vol. 7, p. 348) Hostilianus (vol. 7, p. 350) Trebonianus (vol. 7, p. 354) Volusianus (vol. 7, p. 366) Aemilianus (vol. 7, p. 371) Corn. Supera Aemiliani (vol. 7, p. 374) Valerianus (vol. 7, p. 376) (Missing page 386) Mariniana Valeriani (vol. 7, p. 388) Gallienus (vol. 7, p. 389) Solonia Gallieni (vol. 7, p. 418) Saloninus (vol. 7, p. 421) Q. Jul. Gallienus (vol. 7, p. 435) Valerianus jun. (vol. 7, p. 436) Licinia Galliena (vol. 7, p. 437) Postumus (vol. 7, p. 437) Junia Donata Postumi (vol. 7, p. 447) Postumus fil (vol. 7, p. 447) Laelianus (vol. 7, p. 448) Lollianus (vol. 7, p. 449) Aelianus (vol. 7, p. 450) Victorinus sen. (vol. 7, p. 450) Victorinus jun. (vol. 7, p. 453) Victorina Victorini sen. mater (vol. 7, p. 453) Marius (vol. 7, p. 454) Tetricus (vol. 7, p. 455) Tetricus jun. (vol. 7, p. 459) Piso (vol. 7, p. 460) Valens (vol. 7, p. 461) Balista (vol. 7, p. 461) Regalianus (vol. 7, p. 461) Dryantilla Regalliani (vol. 7, p. 463) Aureolus (vol. 7, p. 464) Sulp. Antoninus (vol. 7, p. 465) Macrianus sen. et jun. (vol. 7, p. 465) Quietus (vol. 7, p. 468) Alex. Aemilianus (vol. 7, p. 468) Trebellianus (vol. 7, p. 469) Celsus (vol. 7, p. 469) Saturninus I (vol. 7, p. 470) Cyriades (vol. 7, p. 470) Ingenuus (vol. 7, p. 470) Claudius Gothicus (vol. 7, p. 470) Censorinus (vol. 7, p. 477) Quintillus (vol. 7, p. 477) Aurelianus (vol. 7, p. 479) Severina Aureliani (vol. 7, p. 487) Principes Palmyrae (vol. 7, p. 488) Firmus (vol. 7, p. 496) Tacitus (vol. 7, p. 496) Florianus (vol. 7, p. 499) Probus (vol. 7, p. 500) Bonosus (vol. 7, p. 507) Saturnius II (vol. 7, p. 507) Proculus (vol. 7, p. 507) (Page 507 missing) Carus (vol. 7, p. 508) Numerianus (vol. 7, p. 511) Carinus (vol. 7, p. 513) Magnia Urbica (vol. 7, p. 517) Nigrinianus (vol. 7, p. 520) ... etc ... I left off here.
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: Steve Minnoch on March 04, 2008, 04:32:49 am
Just a thought... but maybe the best place for these links and any contents etc. is Numiswiki?
Steve
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: iwaniw on March 06, 2008, 04:09:05 pm
This is just a comment on the missing pages in Echkel:
Aegyptus (vol. 4, p. 1) (Missing pages 5,6, and 9) Numi Alexandrini (vol. 4, p. 26) (Missing pages 56, 66-71 and 76-8)
I downloaded the fourth Echkel volume on google a couple of times and noticed different missing pages each time. To get the missing pages, on the link page, view and scroll through the desired pages completely-- use the go to page to skip pages you do not want, then press file save (I think it was save page command) and save the file to your desktop. two files/folders will be saved-- one has all the viewed page files in random order in png format. You can load and print them in any photo editing program.
You can do the the same method to download all the RPC pictures (for personal research only, etc.). The pictures are in the lowest resolution.
Iwaniw
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: iwaniw on March 08, 2008, 10:54:31 am
The png files may have been created by Firefox or perhaps they are files combined to form the PDF . Some files are jpg and the RPC files are all in jpg format In either case, a htm file is also created along with the file folder.
Iwaniw
Title: Re: Online Eckhel Gaps -- How to Avoid Them
Post by: archivum on March 23, 2008, 11:51:16 am
-- A quick followup on the gaps one may meet with when downloading Eckhel -- the same gaps don't show up in Eckhel vol. 4 as downloaded via Internet Explorer *; this may be one rare instance where Firefox (at least the old version) is not quite a match for IE.
* Here's a link to a page that loads properly in Interet Explorer or the new, improved Firefox 3 but does not load at all in the older version:
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: archivum on September 20, 2008, 04:16:42 pm
Now that it has turned up in a Google Books search I have added a functioning link to the missing Mionnet Vol. 2, published 1807; I have listed the working URL in the general roster above (= Reply #9). All these items are worth downloading sooner not later to avoid disappointments if Google withdraws the links.
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: Joe Sermarini on January 17, 2010, 04:11:19 pm
Just a thought... but maybe the best place for these links and any contents etc. is Numiswiki?
Steve
I would be pleased if you added them.
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: Danny S. Jones on August 30, 2010, 04:24:49 am
I've noticed that at any given time, if you click the "Who's Online" link, there are usually a dozen or so guests printing this topic. (why?) Is this book that popular? If so, we need an online version for sure!
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: Enodia on August 30, 2010, 04:29:04 pm
i've noticed that too, although i'm sure it's a spider-bot and not really individual guests. still, i wonder what the attraction is?
~ Peter
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: curtislclay on November 06, 2011, 05:24:15 pm
I want to consult Mionnet's vol. 2, in the original work not the supplement, but the link above just brings me to a description of the book, with no way I can see to go through it page by page.
Am I overlooking something? Does anyone know of another working link to Mionnet vol. 2?
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: Tom Mullally on November 06, 2011, 11:45:25 pm
Once upon a time, all of the links above worked and I downloaded all of the books. I have uploaded them to a Dropbox folder and you are all free to download them. Just save them to your harddrive and read at your leisure.
If I'm missing any, or if there are any errors, please let me know. BTW, I have lots of old books in PDF form. If you are looking for anything specifically, ask, I just might have it.
Tom Mullally
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: vrtsprb on April 14, 2017, 11:14:01 pm
Here’s Eckhel’s Doctrina Numorum at Gallica. Scans are superior to those made by Google.
Title: Re: Online Eckhel
Post by: curtislclay on May 21, 2017, 01:16:44 pm
Is Eckhel the author of that 1785 auction catalogue?
Ah yes, p. 2 is a preface by Eckhel, where he explains that the collection offered for sale was assembled by Garellianus, and includes Roman Republican and Imperial coins in silver and bronze only, the collection's gold coins having already been disposed of. Eckhel informs the reader that he arranged the collection himself before the owner's death, so can guarantee that the coins are all authentic and in good condition, and include some very rare types but no duplicates, nor the useless accumulation of late Roman bronze coins that disfigures some collections. The whole collection to be sold as one lot, starting price 3000 Austrian florins. Customers having particular questions are invited to contact Eckhel himself by letter.
On the following pages the contents of the collection are summarized by Republican family or emperor and by metal and size only, not by type. Total coins in the collection, according to p. 14: