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Author Topic: Help to get what is written in an collector's ticket for a Lesbos Stater  (Read 1258 times)

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Offline paparoupa

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Dear all,

As browsing through my stuff, I realised that one of my coins arrived with an old collector's ticket that I initially thought it was the auctioneer's ticket but this is not the case.

It is actually the Lesbos billion stater (Coin 2) I posted some time ago (two of a kind  which one to keep - YES I still have both!) https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=89638.0)

References for this coin are: SNG Copenhagen 285; BMC p. 154, 46; SNG von Aulock 1682; Rosen 540; SNG München 644

What I can make out of the ticket are:

Side 1
Line 1: ?
Line 2: Lesbos
Line 3: Billon +unknown word (stater maybe?)
Line 4: Dated 520-440
Line 5: unknown word and then D.B.M 2495

Side 2: 5Frs 900

So could anybody please help me in understanding what is written, especially in line 5? Is it a reference or an auction?! Then the price of 5 Francs points that it must have been bought a lot of years ago. But what does the 900 mean!?!

Thanks in advance for any ideas!
P.

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Line 1: Aeolis
Line 4: corrected with other colour "cca 520 vor Chr"
Line 5: ähnl. = like

Pekka K

edit: 900 maybe a catalog number

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Line 1: Aeolis
Line 4: corrected with other colour "cca 520 vor Chr"
Line 5: ähnl. = like

Pekka K

Wow! Thanks for the swift reply! So these are German I guess? Then line 5 is pointing to a reference D.B.M 2495. Is D.B.M any standard ref. or text book that I am not aware of?

Do you think the 5Frs indeed means 5 Francs? Then guessing from the German script on the other side, it could have been in a Swiss collection?

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Perpaps it means 900 Swiss Franks?
Andreas Reich

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Perpaps it means 900 Swiss Franks?

Agreed - it looks like: S.Fr 900

Source: Someone with equally terrible handwriting.

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Thanks a lot for your replies! So I think we settled the price the previous owner paid for it :-)
But the puzzle of the reference (similar to) D.B.M 2495 still remains :-(

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Thanks a lot for your replies! So I think we settled the price the previous owner paid for it :-)
But the puzzle of the reference (similar to) D.B.M 2495 still remains :-(

My wild guess
DBM = Deutsches Bundes Mark = German Federal Marks (or possibly German bank marks) = Deutsche Marks. ähnlich would have to mean "equivalent to" rather than "like", which sounds possible though my German isn't good enough to be making such guesses. But if it was, then just track  back to when CHF 900 = DM 2495 and you've got the purchase date.

Andreas and fellow Germans, could this make sense?      

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Sorry, but that's not what it was called. Either Deutsche Mark (DM) or, if older Reichsmark (RM). Since it says ähnlich=similar, it must be a catalog of some kind.
Andreas Reich

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Areich is right. D.B.M. is a catalog.  Original title "Lagerstätten, Bergbau und Münzen - Die Sammlung der Preussag"

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Areich is right. D.B.M. is a catalog.  Original title "Lagerstätten, Bergbau und Münzen - Die Sammlung der Preussag"

Best regards

Thanks for your reply. The catalog you refer to, is from a mining-deposits and coins exhibition.

http://www.bergbau-museumsshop.de/shop/article_VFKK%252027/Lagerst%C3%A4tten,-Bergbau-und-M%C3%BCnzen---Die-Sammlung-der-Preussag.html?shop_param=cid%3D16%26aid%3DVFKK%252027%26

Die Ausstellung war nach der des Jahres 1969 die zweite große numismatische Präsentation des DBM gewesen.

So for the history what does the acronym DBM mean?

Thanks in advance

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D.B.M. is short for Deutsches Bergbau-Museum

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Thanks a lot for all your replies. So it seems the former collector used a rather odd reference to a German Mining Museum catalogue (!!!) when there are many other standard references.

If indeed it was sold for 900 CHF, I will have to look one day into old Leu/NAC catalogues just in case I trace it's whereabouts...Or consign it in the end and let sb else enjoy this search :-)

 

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