Which God ?

[leemjvd]

Hi All,


First of all best wishes ofcourse !

Can anybody help determine for me which god is on reverse ? THANKS

Bronze - 17-18 mm - 3,5 grams - Die axis 06:00

[EPI L T]ILLIO[Y]
Bearded head and bearded Zeus / Herakles facing right.

[GRΙΜ]EΝΟ−THΥRION
God standing full front facing left, wearing Chiton. Holding staff with her left arm. Outheld right arm holding . . .  possibly over altar.

Best Regards

Michael van der Lee - NL

[areich]

Looks like Athena.

Andreas

[Jochen]

Hi!

Athena without her shield? Muensterberg lists a magistrate's name L TVLLIOV, probably Lucius Tullius, at the time of Trajan.

Best regards

[areich]

Why not?

[archivum]

Likely this one, from Isegrim, though the entry suggests what we have is a shield not an altar:

PRO: PHRYGIA
PO : GRIMENOTHYRAE
PZ : Between 97 and 138 
BNG: L TYLLIOY
 Obverse
VSG: EPI L TYLLIOY
VT : HEAD MAN R / ZEUS
VA : TAENIA / BEARD
 Reverse
RSG: GRIMENOT'YREWN
RT : WOMAN STANDING HL(1) / ATHENA(1)
RA : SPEAR(1) / HELMET / SHIELD(1)
 Technical details
M  : AE
GEW: 4.58(1) / ?(2)
 Bibliographical references
ZIT: AULOCK PHRYGIEN 2 363(1) / SNG AUL 3599(1) / FRANKE KZR 186(1)
VGL: AULOCK PHRYGIEN 2 364(2) / SLG MABBOTT 1906(2)
 Additional remarks
FR : VS: EPI L TYLLIOY RS: GRIMENOT'YREWN 

[Gert]

I disagree - The Aulock coin is sufficiently different to call it another type. For example, Athena holds the scepter in her right hand and there's a shield to the right of her on the Aulock coin. More importantly, there is no altar on it. It seems to me Athena is sacrificing with a patera on Michael's coin.
Regards
Gert

[Enodia]

maybe it is just the image, but that looks more like a staff to me than a spear.

~ Peter

[archivum]

Has anyone seen the other specimen that's cited in the Isegrim entry?

[Kurt E]

Could that be an owl perched on the staff or is that just artifact? 

Kurt

[Pscipio]

Mabbott 1906 is similar to the Aulock coin that Gert checked. Michaels coin seems to be from Smyrna, SNG Aulock 2188: ZEVC AKPAIOC / CMVPNAIΩN, Athena standing left holding spear left and patera over altar right.

Lars

[archivum]

Trouble is that the obverse legend on Michael's coin really doesn't look much like AKRAIOS; since there's no other Zeus-obverse in Isegrim with ...AIO... in it's legend, we're thrown back on the ...LIO... I searched (*), yielding only the Grymenothyrae coin.  There are omissions in Isegrim, certainly, but that won't help the legend of this coin look more like AKRAIOS, in my view, at any rate. 

    (*) vs:.*lio.* vt:head man r rt:athena rt:woman standing hl

 

[Pscipio]

It reads ZEVC A-KPAIOC, so only the KPAIOC is visible to the right of Zeus' head. I think it is the same obverse die as this specimen.

Lars

[leemjvd]

Dear All,

I must admit that reading this kind assistance of you all is good for my hubris, and shows that I thought to rash and counted myself to rich to soon (if one is looking for new cities, that is).
Keeping the coin practically in my eye (ouch !) indeed shows that is a smyrna coin.
Obverse is anyway indeed ZEVC A-KPAIOC, reverse probably SM[YP]NAI, if you all will forgive me cursing in Latin :-).
But have meanwhile found an article on, a.o. this temple (google books - Neokoroi: Greek cities and Roman emperors By Barbara Burrell - page 45) but  still have to read it ...

THANKS !
Michael van der Lee[/s][/s]

[archivum]

Although Alpha () and Lambda () are easily confused, I just don't see a Rho () leading up to AIO or LIO on your coin; maybe if you reposted a scan after giving the coin a light olive-oil rub it'd be a bit easier to make out details of the legends on your coin specifically.

[leemjvd]

Hi Archivum !

I think on obverse the I at hair-height is essentially the K of which furthermore we only see the upwards diagonal. The P lost the battle somewhere in between the K and A .
Reverse legend is (for me) conjecturing, since its rims are worn or may never have been good to start with.
It is (for me) a 75 % certainty for now, though when I compared it to the of grimenotherae the Zeus looked ever so the same to me then. Ah well, this hobby is certainly the one to be cure one of hubris :-)

Greetz !
Michael

[Pscipio]

Michael's coin (the picture is clickable) seems to be from the same obverse die as SNG Aulock 2188, confirming the attribution to Smyrna.

Lars