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Offline Arminius

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Geta provincial obverse brockage - mint?
« on: January 10, 2008, 01:30:18 pm »
Maybe someone remembers this obverse depiction of Geta as Caesar on a provincial assarion:

Geta as Caesar, Thrace?, 198-209 AD.,
Æ 19 (19-20 mm / 4,19 g),
Obv.: Λ CЄΠTI - ΓETAC K , laureate, draped and cuirassed bust of the young Geta right.
Rev.: (obverse brockage).

The characteristic details:
 - good style (like e.g. Laodicea)
 - first Є like a crescent - the second E rectangular.
 - a very small and weak I
( - Geta looks like wearing a bib )

My favourite would be a mint somewhere in Thrace.

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Re: Geta provincial obverse brockage - mint?
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2008, 03:16:22 pm »
Ruzicka, Pautalia 782, has all the characteristics of your coin: that exact obv. legend, first rounded then square E, bust dr. and cuir. r. seen from front, 18 mm, 4.77 gr.

The coin cited is Berlin, Cat. 1874, 544 = Cat. 1888, 205, 38, with rev. Hermes riding ram r.  I don't know whether these catalogues illustrate the coin, though it's unlikely at those early dates.  I've never even heard of (let alone seen) a Berlin cat. of 1874 that includes Pautalia.

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Re: Geta provincial obverse brockage - mint?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2008, 03:47:25 pm »
Curtis, thanks for the Ruzicka hint. I would like to see more modern references to be as accurate as this.
He lists all Geta Caesar obverse dies on pages 185-6.
I think it´s die no. 13 (page 186) - though listed without the letter "I" by Ruzicka.
Probably on all other coins Ruzicka saw this very weak "I" had not been been visible.

Thanks to all.

A.  (from a strange 10.9 °C / 51,6 °F warm German winter evening - global warming does not stop)

p.s.: I got my Ruzicka from Barry Murphy. He still offers:
"Ruzicka, Leon. Die Munzen von Pautalia. Sofia, 1933. 216 pages, 10 plates. The standard reference for the coinage of Pautalia. "

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Re: Geta provincial obverse brockage - mint?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2008, 10:47:44 pm »
But I don't know whether 13 is "seen from front"; "Panzer rechts" sounds more like "seen from back".

What we really need is ILLUSTRATIONS; ideally a die catalogue with every die illustrated!
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Re: Geta provincial obverse brockage - mint?
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2008, 03:00:41 pm »
Maybe i will start a Pautalia-project on my website, but

 - more than 900 types lised by Ruzicka
 - some aditional types showing up since then
 - multiple dies per type

Sounds like demand for a bigger webspace.

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