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Author Topic: Greek, Roman provinical bronze/ Republican fourrée with countermark?  (Read 293 times)

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Hi! Can you say anything about this coin? Any ideas? Thank you!

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Re: Greek, Roman provinical bronze/ Republican fourrée with countermark?
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2022, 01:03:45 pm »

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Re: Greek, Roman provinical bronze/ Republican fourrée with countermark?
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2022, 01:08:15 pm »
Countermark of Tomis.  Coin it self worn beyond recognition.

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Re: Greek, Roman provinical bronze/ Republican fourrée with countermark?
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2022, 07:45:08 am »
Thanks for the explanation. The only thing I can say is that it is not a fake fouree coin, they wouldn't have marked it with a countermark at the Tomis mint. Why would they do that?  Was the coin already worn out by then that they had to use a countermark? But why would they do that for a small bronze AE18?

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Re: Greek, Roman provinical bronze/ Republican fourrée with countermark?
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2022, 07:59:30 am »
Hi Boh,

You can estimate how worn the coin coin was at the time the countermark was applied based on the amount of wear on the letters contained in the countermark.

Based on the photos, the letters in the countermark appear to have light to medium wear. This implies that the coin was quite worn at the time the countermark was applied.

By the way, the obverse of the host coin may depict the head of Zeus.

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Re: Greek, Roman provinical bronze/ Republican fourrée with countermark?
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2022, 08:08:42 am »
Hi Boh,

The host coin may be this coin:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=641986

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3672369

The reverse is completely blank, so it is almost impossible to tell for certain.

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Re: Greek, Roman provinical bronze/ Republican fourrée with countermark?
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2022, 08:11:50 am »
Coins like this were counter marked for a variety of reasons - often to extend their are of circulation either regionally (i.e. to prove that they can be used in the area) or temporally (i.e. to prove that they are still valid as current coinage).

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Re: Greek, Roman provinical bronze/ Republican fourrée with countermark?
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2022, 08:49:04 am »
Thank you for your ideas and comments. So can we say that the countermark was struck before the Romans conquered the Greek colony of Tomis or was this countermark also used during the Roman Empire?

 

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