Index to Schaefer's Roman Republican Die Study

[Ken W2]

I have been using and enjoying Schaefer's die study on the ANS website to locate matches for coins I have and coins I am considering.  I know this was a massive amount of work and I'm appreciative of any source of information. I also realize I may be missing something, but it appears the index sometimes does not list all the pages on which examples of a type are depicted. For example, for Crawford 443/1 (Caesar's elephant coin), the index lists only pages 12, 22, 33, and 36, but additional examples are depicted on pages 24, 28, 32, and 37.  Has anyone else encountered this and located a complete index; or am I just missing something ?  Thanks in advance.   

[Altamura]

It looks to me like uncomplete documentation  .

If you look at CRRO it offers for 443/1 also only the Schaefer pages 12, 22, 33 and 36:
http://numismatics.org/crro/id/rrc-443.1#annotations
At least it is consistent  .

Regards

Altamura

[Ken W2]

As I encounter omissions from the index to Schaefer’s study I’ll share my observations.

Junius Albinus Bruti F.,  Crawford 450/1 and 450/3 are not in the index, but are in the study at Binder 9 pages 136 and 137, and Binder 9 page 156, respectively. 

Mark Antony Legion VIIII, Crawford 544/22 is not indexed but examples can be found in Binder 14, page 193.

[Altamura]

... As I encounter omissions from the index to Schaefer’s study I’ll share my observations. ...

Did you also write this to the ANS?

Regards

Altamura

[Ken W2]

I have not contacted ANS. I don’t want to appear critical of a massive amount of work made publicly available for free. Perhaps if I find a more substantial number of such occurrences I’ll reach out to ANS. I have twice reached out to online publishers of ancient coin data bases about what I thought were mistakes and received no response. Don’t know if they didn’t appreciate the proposed corrections or my emails went to spam.

[Virgil H]

I can tell you that the ANS is generally very open to communications, especially from members. They may or may not be able to satisfy your requests. I never hesitate to contact them and they almost always respond. I have communicated with a few of them, including Peter van Alfen, David Hill, and David Hendin. Hendin has been incredibly helpful with a couple of questions I had. I would think they would welcome your observations. They just lost their wonderful membership director, Austin Andrews, who would always route questions to the appropriate person. He is going to be a tough act to replace, but he was ready for new adventures in life.

Virgil

[Curtis JJ]

This has also been my experience. Oftentimes the additional pages are repetitive with the others, but not always. I use it often enough that it would be worth taking notes to supplement the index. As a practical matter, though, I've just accepted that there is a lot of manual searching involved. (I've scanned through every single page multiple times since it first appeared, just "brute forcing" any possible matches.)

In most cases, the processed binders seem to have been relatively complete at including all the specimens -- for those Crawford numbers that are in them. I don't think they've added any types to the Processed Binders since I started using them. But additional types have been indexed in SITNAM (and/or CRRO).

That said -- I really love that resource. I've found quite a few of my Republican Denarii in there with new photos/provenance info (and many that I've researched for bidding but lost, and a couple I've sold), and have learned about some new & interesting collections and sales that I wouldn't have otherwise known about.

Here's a collage of a few favorite finds (including the Quinctia Hercules/Rat Denarius that I foolishly sold in 2012):

[Ken W2]

Hey Curtis. I’m pretty sure it was another thread here in which you turned me on to Schaefer’s study and I really appreciate it.  The scope of what I’m collecting in the republican and imperatorial periods is pretty narrow and now I just about won’t by a coin unless I can find a match in Schaefer or CRRO, even NGC slabbed coins. Using normal due diligence AND cross checking for matches in those sources gives me comfort.  Just bought a MAL VI that is actually pictured in Schaefer, but haven’t received it yet.  You’re correct, it is a lot of work scrolling through pages and pages looking for that match, but it is rewarding when you find it and in that process you can’t help but learn about the style of an issue.