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Offline Abu Galyon

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Pseudo-Byzantine die match?
« on: July 27, 2021, 10:06:59 am »
Two examples of Arab imitations of Constans II. I’ve had coin A for a few years, and recently purchased coin B, which I originally thought was a reverse die match to coin A. Now I’m not sure, and I’m leaning towards ‘not a die match’. I would appreciate the opinions of others. 

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Re: Pseudo-Byzantine die match?
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2021, 12:54:46 pm »
I do not see a die match. The letter characters on the right side, and the way in which they align with the right side of the M, look markedly different to me.

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Re: Pseudo-Byzantine die match?
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2021, 11:55:31 am »
Thank you, Kevin. That must be right. But, given the slapdash way these imitatives were usually engraved it's a bit unusual to discover two dies so similar which aren't a die match.

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Re: Pseudo-Byzantine die match?
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2021, 12:05:41 pm »
the encrustations on the second coin may be altering the observed orientations of the reverse devices. 

If I wanted to be sure, I'd bring both in to photoshop and make once coin semi-transparent then overlay them to more directly compare them.
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Re: Pseudo-Byzantine die match?
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2021, 12:35:38 pm »
Thank you, Kevin. That must be right. But, given the slapdash way these imitatives were usually engraved it's a bit unusual to discover two dies so similar which aren't a die match.

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Maybe it is a recut die, but it just looks like two different dies to me. On the right side, the character T at the bottom has a pronounced lean on coin B in relation to the right leg of character M, while on coin A the T is in line with character M. I don't think the deposits will effect this. The serif on the character M looks different on both coins. This serif looks well struck on coin A, but see how much lower it is in relation to the top arch of the M compared to what you can see of the serif on coin B. The bottom left leg of the M is different on both coins, and it appears to be rising sharply out of the deposits on coin A, so I doubt the deposits are markedly altering its appearance.

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Re: Pseudo-Byzantine die match?
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2021, 07:59:06 pm »
Definitely two different dies given the position of the  :Greek_epsilon: among other characters.

But also definitely by the same hand.

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