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Offline Smulan

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Dirham?
« on: February 09, 2019, 09:10:38 am »
Hi there

I bought a small lot and got this coin in it. Its a new typ in my collection. Is it some kind of Dirham?

Size 28 mm and 5,5 Edit got the weight wrong more like 4,3 g

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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2019, 11:00:13 am »
It is an early Umayyad dirham and nice one!!

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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2019, 11:11:27 am »
Hi,

Yes, I got it to 76 96 AH (714/5 AD) I think - circled in green. I have a suggestion of Al Basra for the mint - circled in red I think.

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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2019, 11:29:59 am »
Hi Mauseus, i thought it is 96AH!!!!

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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2019, 11:35:22 am »
Hi,

Yes, 96, not 76 (that was my other thought). 70 and 90 are similar.

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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2019, 11:39:09 am »
In this case it is for the Caliph Walid Bin Abd Almalik

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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2019, 12:16:41 pm »
Nice work +++ Thanks a lot  :)

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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2019, 03:42:40 pm »
Not in Al- Bassra .

It is struck  بالتيمرة    struck in  AL-TAYMARA (English written this way)
Over all rare mint , one does not say everyday.

But check the  weight , again  4.3 Grams is too high for Dirham.
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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2019, 07:13:33 am »
Hello
The weight also puzzels me as being bit on the high side. Tested it again after caibration and it looks more lite a bit over 5g. Is this an indication of a false coin ? Better pictures?

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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2019, 10:46:56 pm »
Well in this case , I would think about new imitation, and strongly.
I did not like the strange dots ( one in your top first photo under Rassoul , and the ones down ) , but I thought maybe a die thing.

Do you see any stamp , copy , or something  ?


ADDED * :  If you willing really to know , perhaps a little scratch on edges , in diffrent spots , and see if plated.

My point : Inspite that mint comes as  Shaqq  AL-TAYMARA  ( as example for Ab dul Al Malik ) also comes as  AL-TAYMARA, but with this weight 5 Grams
and the word Dirham  clear on the coin - NO WAY-, and forgetting about any poor lettering ( one might think the time did to that Dirham) , with this weight again ,I would have a strong doubt about its  authenticity.
  

I respect how others think here , but I can not give good news here.

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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2019, 01:49:51 pm »
Thanks Sam. My shots was not the very best to begin with and on top of this my weight indication fluctuated. When I   closely look I dont like what I see. Its to evenly worn to my eyes.  I will upload better shots so all can see. My guess is that this will end up as a fake coin report. Good thing, I have contact with the seller and  will get my money back and he will probably stop selling dubious coins :)

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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2019, 03:40:02 pm »
I thought so.
Keep on eye on FORVM Coin Shop ( the Shop on top of this page ) , they do have very good deals and AUTHENTIC .
 
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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2019, 04:41:21 pm »
Thanks I will, its a great coin! Took your advice and scratch  a bit of the edge. Guess what, its a silver plated gold coin!

Anyway I learned a lot from this thread , fake or nor not.

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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2019, 04:58:04 pm »
Well, I say FAKE . Not Authentic.

I do not think that is gold , probably Copper or some sort of mix metal.

Just a way to take advantage of new to the hobby.

For what is worth my friend mauseus , was trying to tell you what this object meant to be, not  authentic or not , he does not collect Arabic Coins.
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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2019, 02:43:24 am »
Ill post a fake coin report later on today. Thank you all!

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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2019, 08:13:26 am »
You are very welcome , always check the Shop here for your needs , FORVM Shop is the best Shop ever to buy from.
Great deals , authentic coins , yet a joy and pleasure of knowledge.
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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2019, 08:15:33 am »
I too think you probably have a silver plated over yellow bronze coin.

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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2019, 02:43:48 pm »
Thanks for submitting the fake coin report but next time, please combine images in to a single file and make only one fake coin report with both images.
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Re: Dirham?
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2022, 12:38:14 pm »
 outstanding knowledge Dr Mansourati +++

 

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