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Author Topic: New Countermark of Nike on Ptolemaic (Ptolemy II) Bronze with Arsinoe Portrait  (Read 1807 times)

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A newly observed Arsinoe bronze (Ptolemy II, Svoronos 386) with a countermark of 'advancing Nike' in a somewhat oval incuse punch, rotated about 110 degrees (clockwise) with respect to the obverse portrait. Sv 386 are fairly rare and this countermarked specimen may be unique. This specimen is about 17mm and 3.4 grams with 12h die axis, all within the usual ranges for this type.  The origin and purpose of the 'Nike' countermark are unknown. Svoronos 386 is part of a small group of coins that have an open-wing eagle reverse with a combination of three symbols in the field to the left of the eagle, typically a LAMDA IOTA or DELTA IOTA (sometimes too worn or small to distinguish one from the other) above a 'star' with a PI-A monogram below. On this coin the symbols (especially the PI-Y monogram) to the left of the eagle on the reverse are a bit the harder to make out as they are somewhat flattened by the punch directly opposed to that location on the obverse.  Photos here show the obverse and an enlarged re-oriented image of the countermark as well as the reverse.  These illustrations have been included in a fresh update of the ptolemybronze.com 'coin series' page with several other additions of types not previously illustrated there including Alexandria Series 9 and the 'Jugate Portrait' bronze of Kyrenaica.

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Great find! You can even see the fillet.

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Great find! You can even see the fillet.

Thanks!

Don't see that many 'new' countermarks in the world of Ptolemaic bronzes so thought it was worth a closer look.  It does indeed seem  to be something 'new'.

Tentatively identified the countermark figure as Nike because of what appear to be wings on the back (left side of the figure) of the apparently 'advancing' figure but not sure where to spot a fillet.  Is that what appears to be draped over the outstretched hand reaching toward the 'right' here?

If anyone has spotted a countermark like this one on any type of coin it'd be interesting to compare it.  Perhaps the mark has been seen on coins from Seleukid area or some other area (e.g. a huge swath of southern Turkey or parts of Thrace and Greece) once occupied by the vast Ptolemaic empire of the mid 3rd C. BC. and later 'lost'.

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Yes, definitely a fillet, like the one below.  Maybe a filleted wreath.

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If you search for "fillet Nike" you'll see many examples.

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If you search for "fillet Nike" you'll see many examples.

Thanks.  Found one - but most of the results of that search string are links to running shoes :)

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Could this countermark be Artemis, rather than Nike
The figure does seem female, but could the wings be a quiver instead?

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Quote from: Matt Kreuzer on May 04, 2017, 01:36:48 pm

Could this countermark be Artemis, rather than Nike
The figure does seem female, but could the wings be a quiver instead?

Matt Kreuzer

Hi Matt

What's the word on your book on Ptolemaic coinage that Spink said they were going to publish at the beginning of last year (2016) ?  Haven't seen it available anywhere and Spinks' web site publications area doesn't seem to mention it.

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Thanks Dan.  It's not done yet.

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Quote from: Matt Kreuzer on May 09, 2017, 08:20:59 pm
Thanks Dan.  It's not done yet.

Thanks for the update. Please pass along news from time to time.  Spink went 'silent' on it.

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