Probus antoninian . Unpublished type ?

[Igor M3]

Hello,

PROBUS (176-182). Antoninianus. Siscia. Silvered .
Obv: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG.
Radiate bust left in imperial mantle, holding sceptre surmounted by eagle.
Rev: VIRTVS PROBI AVG / XXIS.
Emperor galloping left, over TWO enemy.
Help please determine the rarity of this coin

Best regards,
Igor

[quadrans]

It is a very interesting coin Igor,

 In my opinion this one are the variation the Siscia RIC 818 ,,
 I have seen some same coin earliar in this forum a few years before but I do not find the thread now .
 Rare variatio ...
The Serdica mint have two enemy in the RIC 889, but that coin exergo are KAB


Regards

Q.

[Igor M3]

Thank you so much !
  Can not this be a new type because the reverse is different from RIC 818 ?

[quadrans]

The revers type are different because  your coin have two enemy...

 but earliar the catalogs described sometimes  like :

 one or two enemy..

 Nowadays it is different coin that I say "new subtype"  but very rare congratulate ..

 regards

 Q.
 p.s.

 May be later Sylviane Estiot look for this coin, she is the expert of Probus coin..

 Q.

[Igor M3]

Thank you very much for your help!
Sincerely,
Igor

[Teutoburgium]

Very interesting coin, probably unique, it could be listed as RIC 818 variant.
It bears the same reverse depiction as Alfoldy No. 92/8  (RIC 806, VIRTVS AVGVSTI //IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG combination), which is known from one specimen in Venera hoard.

Teutoburgium

[vrtsprb]

"PROBUS (176-182)"

Move the dates forward a 100 years... 


It's not in Alföldi, which is more important than it not being in RIC.

That already has quite a few subtypes (11!): http://probvs.net/probvs/R818/R818A.html

It's probably rather rare, but likely published since Alföldi's time. There have been a lot of new hoards.
At this time, that's beyond my capacity to check.

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I was beaten to mentioning the VIRTVS AVGVSTI reverse with two enemies for type 92!

http://probvs.net/probvs/R806/R806A.html

Good job! 

G/<

[quadrans]

I was beaten to mentioning the VIRTVS AVGVSTI reverse with two enemies for type 92!

http://probvs.net/probvs/R806/R806A.html

Good job! 

G/<

Yes that was If I remember...

 Thanks vrtsprb...

 Regards
 Q.

[Igor M3]

Thank you all very much !
Is it possible that this is the same coin that was published by Alföldi? This coin was donated to me in Germany.

Best regards,
Igor

[quadrans]

Hi Igor,

You have some information the size and weight and axis (revers/avers)  ??

thank you

 Regards
and Congratulate

 Q.

[Igor M3]

Weight approx 2.7g, maximum diameter 2.0mm, die axis 180
Best regards,
Igor

[quadrans]

Thank you Igor ..

 Regards
 Q.

[Igor M3]

A Alföldi slightly different coin is described
 "3 Subtype: Two enemies; one kneeling, warding off attack, other prostrate underneath horse.
   
   8 -Δ//XXI"
   
On my coin XXIS . Probably these are two different coins

Best regards,
Igor

[Teutoburgium]

Here is the link to an earlier post on this Forum, with another coin of the same obverse and reverse.


https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=105075.0

Teutoburgium

[Igor M3]

Thank you very much !
Best regards,
Igor

[vrtsprb]

A Alföldi slightly different coin is described
 "3 Subtype: Two enemies; one kneeling, warding off attack, other prostrate underneath horse.
   
   8 -Δ//XXI"
   
On my coin XXIS . Probably these are two different coins

Yes, two different coins, especially as the one Alföldi described is still at the museum in Verona!

G/<

[Igor M3]

Thank you Teutoburgium ..