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Constantius II, FEL TEMP - 2 Captives type, Rome
« on: December 31, 2022, 06:40:19 am »
I wanted to share a recent acquisition.

Constantius II - AE2

Obv:– D N CONSTANTIVS P F AVG, Rosette diademed, draped, cuirassed left, globe in hand (Bust Type G4l); N behind bust
Rev:– FEL TEMP REPARATIO, Emperor bare headed & in military dress standing, holding standard with chi-rho on banner in his right hand, resting left hand on shield, two bound captives in Phrygian helmets standing, facing each other before him
Minted in Rome (N _ //RT). before June A.D. 350
Reference:- RIC VIII Rome 187/188 var (diadem)
Slight lateral double shift evident on the reverse

I cannot find any other examples of the G4l in this series from Rome. The normal busts in this series are Pearl diademed (G3) and Laurel and rosette diademed (G5).

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Re: Constantius II, FEL TEMP - 2 Captives type, Rome
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2023, 08:45:42 pm »
Very nice, Martin! Such expressive (and annoyed) looking captives.

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Re: Constantius II, FEL TEMP - 2 Captives type, Rome
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2023, 02:15:22 am »
Maridvnvm -- That's a great exemplar of Roman "captives coinage"!

We may have discussed it in other threads, but one of my main collecting interests is "barbarians" and "captives" as depicted on RIC.
This coin touches on a really interesting topic: The details of how the Romans restrained their prisoners/slaves.

I've looked at 1,000s of examples, and your coin provides one of the clearest illustrations (twice!) I've seen of this specific method of restraint. Not all of dies and types show this particular arrangement, but when they do, it's very standardized:

Collar (bronze?) around the neck, a pair of cords (probably rope, maybe leather or chain?) are attached to the collar and run across the torso (possibly 2 diagonal + 2 vertical), attaching to a waist harness (maybe leather?). The captive's arms are bound in back, presumably also tied to the harness.

It's hard to be sure exactly what's going on; the clothing on the Soldier/Emperor (or Victory) can sometimes show similar features. Distinguishing them is the challenge.

Zooming in:

Also: Could those be knots or manacles around the elbows (or just bunched up fabric)?

The same kind of harness/collar arrangement can often be seen on the Victory dragging captive AE4s of Theodosius [LINK] et al. -- especially the ones from this same mint, Cyzicus:

 

Different mints and examples may show the restraints differently. It's not clear whether the Parthian captives on my Antioch FTR [LINK] are less elaborate:


The specific set-up varies, but based on figurines and depictions in other media, it's clear that they were realistically portraying the treatment of prisoners.

Here's a different arrangement illustrated on a Roman bronze figurine (there are many variants). Unlike the ones shown above, it's clear that the captive can't walk when bound the way shown below, so it must've been used in some other specific context:


https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/413449

You can often see details of the harnesses and bindings on Denarii and Antoniniani, but in most cases all you can see is that the arms are held together somehow, usually behind the back. When the details are visible, like on your coin, it's something special!

(My Barbarians-Captives-Enemies [BCE] page, using examples from my "BCE Collection" from Republican through Byzantine: [LINK].)
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Re: Constantius II, FEL TEMP - 2 Captives type, Rome
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2023, 09:57:02 am »
Interesting area of research.  I look forwarding to spending some time looking through your site.

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Re: Constantius II, FEL TEMP - 2 Captives type, Rome
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2023, 12:25:06 pm »
Thanks, Shawn. I still need to post a separate page for my FTR's, but those have always been my favorites. I love the "Happy Days" irony. Your KOINON II article & others (incl. Failzmezger, Helvetica's collection, and some of the earlier research on the topic) made me realize there's a lot more being communicated in the details.

The best examples of this type can be real treasures for conveying what was important to them about "barbarians," which is also a wonderful window into how the Romans saw themselves.
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Re: Constantius II, FEL TEMP - 2 Captives type, Rome
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2023, 04:25:59 pm »
My original image is reduced size from the full size image that I take. If it is of any use to you I have cropped out the captives at full size from the above image. Could the harness also go downwards between the legs?
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Re: Constantius II, FEL TEMP - 2 Captives type, Rome
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2023, 04:42:34 pm »
Hi We have a small article in the academia.edu

https://www.academia.edu/94961946/Bound_in_bronze_a_Roman_bronze_statuette_of_a_barbarian_prisoner

May be interesting...

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Re: Constantius II, FEL TEMP - 2 Captives type, Rome
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2023, 06:43:16 pm »
Thanks for the link to the article Joe / quadrans, that's wonderful material! I've downloaded it to give a close look soon & added it to my Roman captives-and-barbarians bibliography.

@ maridvnvm, that's a good question. Great detail on that larger photo. I hadn't considered whether the restraints/harnesses continued below the waist on these standing ones, but that would be interesting to know. Additional examples combined with non-coin artifacts/artwork may give the answers.

Joe/Q.'s seated barbarian figurines are certainly bound at the legs, too, but they're tied in an immobilized posture, unable to stand. Many seated captives appear to have manacles or the legs otherwise bound, but it's always a little bit ambiguous on coins:

[LINK]

Roman-era captives have even been found buried still shackled, much as shown on some coins [LINK]:


(The Constantinian seated captives always have me wondering what they're wearing, some are almost in straight-jackets: LINK & LINK.)
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Re: Constantius II, FEL TEMP - 2 Captives type, Rome
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2023, 09:05:17 am »
There is a variety in the way in which captives are depicted across a variety of types.

On some types they seem to be on one knee with the other leg raised in front


I like this one as you can clearly see one of the captives is bearded


On some times then seem to be seated with both knees raised in front of them


Here they are crouching / leaning?


Some are simply standing....





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