Anyone with Westermark's "Bronze Coins of Pergamon" ?

[helvetica]

Could anyone with Ulla Westermark's "Bronze Coins of Pergamon" have a look to
see if there is a coin as follows: (Very likely Attalos II because of the stylis in the left field)
- AE29
- a bearded head of Zeus(?) LEFT on the obverse (not laureate by the look of it)
- on the reverse: FILETAIROY to the left of Athena seated left, resting left elbow on a shield at her side and crowning the late king's name with a wreath in right hand, transverse spear on her right side, A on Phi (or perhaps just a Phi) beneath Athena's right arm, stylis in outer left field, bow in upper right field.
I have looked in Isegrim, Mionnet, Weisser, von Fritze, Imhoofs article about the Pergamene dynasty, SNG Cop and Supplement, von Aulock and Supplement, BMC, Voegtli (Pergamum Grabungen), and various collections, but cannot find it anywhere.  There are some similar AR tetradrachms, but no bronzes.
The image is here under TLA's internal number:
www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/mysia/pergamon/philetairos/TLA_38712.jpg

[Mark Fox]

Dear Dane,

I have just written to The Royal Coin Cabinet (Kungl Myntkabinettet) in Stockholm for help. 
Apparently Ulla Westermark had worked there.


Best regards,

Mark Fox
Michigan

[helvetica]

Hi Mark
I spent hours last night trying to find a contact address for Ulla W. I found one at another university in Sweden (a university of Natural Studies) in a course which had to do with wood (my Swedish is poor but I understoood that that Ulla Westermark had written treaties on natural wood.), so being unsure that they were one and the same, I decided to leave it.
It's an intriguing coin, isn't it ? It will probably be in the next or next but one TLA. (Another one for your collection of raries, Mark?)

[Risto K]

Not the same Ulla W. The author of numismatic books was born 1927. To my knowledge she is alive but retired years ago. Ulla Westermark is quite common name.

[OldMoney]

Dear Dane,
I have a great suspicion that this piece is not genuine.
It appears to combine, in bronze, the types of two large
silver coins - the obverse of a Pyrrhus tetradrachm and
the reverse of a Philetairos tetradrachm under Attalos I.
It may benefit you to hold off putting this on WW until it
can be confirmed (either way).
I too would be greatly interested in obtaining a copy of
Dr Westermark's Philetairos work, if possible.

Walter Holt

[helvetica]

Dear Dane,
I have a great suspicion that this piece is not genuine.
It appears to combine, in bronze, the types of two large
silver coins - the obverse of a Pyrrhus tetradrachm and
the reverse of a Philetairos tetradrachm under Attalos I.
It may benefit you to hold off putting this on WW until it
can be confirmed (either way).
I too would be greatly interested in obtaining a copy of
Dr Westermark's Philetairos work, if possible.

Walter Holt

Hi Walter
It is part of a large very old collection from a known collector.
I have asked the SNG whether they can let me have a contact address for Ulla W. -
she is an honorary member of the SNG and I am hoping they have an address for her.
I will leave it on wildwinds for the moment in case anyone does recognize it. I can always
change the description.
I cannot find any coins of Attalos I with a stylis in the left field - all the ones I find in
various books and collections are all listed under Attalos II.

[OldMoney]

Hi Walter
It is part of a large very old collection from a known collector.
I have asked the SNG whether they can let me have a contact address for Ulla W. -
she is an honorary member of the SNG and I am hoping they have an address for her.
I will leave it on wildwinds for the moment in case anyone does recognize it. I can always
change the description.
I cannot find any coins of Attalos I with a stylis in the left field - all the ones I find in
various books and collections are all listed under Attalos II.

Hi Dane,
I actually thought I had one of these in my "black-box", but cannot
seem to locate it just now (me being disorganised!). I'll keep looking.

I simply meant that these were the general types, rather than being
specifically Attalos I or II, or even Eumenes I or II (ie: with Athena
crowning the name, rather than with name behind). I am not sure the
control matters if it ultimately turns out to be a fake. I am pretty sure
the combination of a Pyrrhus obverse with a 'Philetairos' reverse goes
a long way to condemning it regardless of the symbols. It would be
nice to be able to examine it in hand, to confirm either way.

I'd be interested in hearing anyone else's thoughts/opinions as well.

Walter

[OldMoney]

Hi again Dane,

I knew I had one of these somewhere . . . !!

. . and here it is (the lower image):


As may be seen, these are "die" identical, though the
other example has been artificially worn and "aged".

This should forever remove all doubt about this item.

I hope this helps.

Walter

P.S. Sorry for the poor quality of my image. W

[Joe Sermarini]

Fake coin report please.  I am also looking for Ulla Westermark's "Bronze Coins of Pergamon." 

[OldMoney]

Has anyone been able to locate an e-copy of this reference?

Whilst on this subject:
I was instead able to locate a copy of Fr. Imhoof-Blumer's
"Die Münzen Der Dynastie Von Pergamon", (Berlin 1884).

However, whilst the silver coins reproduced reasonably well,
the plate images for the bronze coins are horrible! (see below)

Does anyone have a better copy of this particular plate (III)?

Walter Holt

[Altamura]

Here it is: http://bibliothek.bbaw.de/bbaw/bibliothek-digital/digitalequellen/schriften/anzeige/index_html?band=07-abh/1884&seite:int=514

Regards

Altamura

[OldMoney]

Here it is: http://bibliothek.bbaw.de/bbaw/bibliothek-digital/digitalequellen/schriften/anzeige/index_html?band=07-abh/1884&seite:int=514

Regards

Altamura

Thanks Altamura!

All we need now, is an e-copy of Westermark.

There must be something out there somewhere.

All the best,

Walter

[Altamura]

... All we need now, is an e-copy of Westermark. There must be something out there somewhere. ...

I didn't find anything, but it would be possible to order the article via subito (https://www.subito-doc.de/index.php?mod=subo&task=loginform&lang=en)

Regards

Altamura