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cicerokid:
Issue Date TYPE Comment Intercal
1 164/3 No Sign 2 Monograms
2 163/2 Kerchnos & Bakchos 2 Monograms
3 162/1 No Sign 2 Monograms
4 161/0 No Sign or Cornucopiae 2 Monograms
5 160/9 2 Palms 2 Monograms
6 159/8 Club 2 Monograms
7 158/7 Rudder 2 Monograms
8 157/6 Nike 2 Monograms
9 156/5 Trophy 2 monograms
10 155/4 Ear of Grain 2 monograms
11 154/3 Caps of Dioscouri 2 monograms
12 153/2 Cicada 2 monograms Start of Month Dates
13 152/1 Two Serpents 2 monograms N
14 151/0 Term of Hermes 2 Monograms
15 150/9 Kernos AMMO - DIO Start of Control Letters
16 149/8 Palm Leaf behind Owl Partial monogram) First Striking of month dates (Lor R field )& control letters (on amphora) together
17 148/7 Cornucopiae AMMO - DIO Controls only
18 147/6 Trident Head ADEI - ELIO Controls only
19 146/5 Cock with Palm XAPI - ERA Controls only
20 145/4 Forepart of Horse Monogram --LUSIA Month on Amphora Control in field or under position mixed
21 144/3 Thyrsos 2 Monograms
22 143/2 Apollo DIOPHA - DIODO Reverse overstrike
23 142/1 Macedonian Helmet & Star DEME - IERO
24 141/0 Eagle 2 Monograms
25 140/9 Nike holding Wreath Note 2a KTESI - EUMA Order change from Thompson N
26 139/8 Aplustre Note 2b 2 monograms Order change from Thompson
27 138/7 Helios Bust GLAU - ECHE N
28 137/6 Nike driving Quadriga MIKI - THEOPHRA
29 136/5 Lionskin Club & Bowcase 3 Magistrates Start HERE - ARISTOPH
30 135/4 Asklepios Snake & Stick MENED - EPIGENO N
31 134/3 Anchor & Star TIMARCHOU - NIKAGO
32 133/2 Winged Caduceus POLYCHARM - NIKOG
33 132/1 Forepart of lion DOROTHE - DIOPH
34 131/0 Elephant ANTIOCHIOS - NIKOG / KARAICHOS
35 130/9 Winged Thunderbolt THEOPHRA - SOTAS N
36 129/8 m Dionysus,Thyrsus & Cup DIOGE - POSEI
37 128/7 m Cornucopia & Grain Stalk ACHAIOS - ELI
38 127/6 m Cicada LUSAN - GLAUKOS
39 126/5 m Eagle on Thunderbolt EPIGENE - SOSANDROS
40 125/4 m Tripod POLEMON - ALKETES
41 124/3 m Prow of Ship KARAICH - ERGOKLE
42 123/2 m Discouri MIKION - EURYIKLEI
43 122/1 m Nike APHRODISI - APOLECHI
44 121/0 m Three Graces EURYKLEI - ARIARA N
45 120/9 Double Cornocopia APHRODIS - DIOGE
46 119/8 Helios in Quadriga DIONYSI - DIONYSI
47 118/7 2 Torches AMMONIOS - KALLIAS
48 117/6 Trophy on Prow THEOMISTO - THEOPOMITOS
49 116/5 Apollo Delios SOKRATES - DIONYSODO
50 115/4 Bunch of Grapes METRODOROS -MILTIADES / DEMOSTHEN
51 114/3 No Symbol DIOTIMOS - MAGAS
52 113/2 Triptolemus in Chariot EUMAREIDES - ALKIDAM / KLEOMEN
53 112/1 Demeter & 2 Torches CHARINAUTES - ARISTEAS
54 111/0 Artemis with Torch PHANOKLES - APOLLONIOS
55a 110/9 Artemis with Fawn EUBOYLIDES - AGATHOKLE Both in
55b 110/9 Bee ZOILOS - EUANDROS one year
56 109/8 Quiver & Bow DAMON - SOSIKRATES
57 108/7 Tyche EUMELOS - KALLIPHON
58 107/6 Winged Tyche & Amphora A HERAKLEIDES - EUKLES (1)
59 106/5 No Symbol THEODOTOS - KLEOPHANES
60 105/4 Winged Tyche &Amphora B HERAKLEIDES - EUKLES (2) N
61 104/3 Dionysus & Demeter ANDREAS - CHARINAUTES
62 103/2 Wreath IKESIOS - ASKLEPIADES
63 102/1 Dionysus mask & Thyrsus TIMOSTRATOS - POSES N
64 101/0 Ears of Grain AMPHIKRATES - EPISTRATOS
65 100/9 Tyche Staff & Cornocopia DOSITHEOS - CHARIAS N
66 99/8 Gorgon Head ++ NIKETES - DIONYSUS
67 98/7 Pegasos ++ ARISTION - PHILON
68 97/6 Caps of Dioscouri ++ DEMETRIOS - AGATHIPPOS N *
69 96/5 Winged Agon *** AROPOS - MNASAGO
70 95/4 Coiled Snake *** XENOCLES - HARMOXENOS ( 1) 2 Magistrates
71 94/3 Hermes / No sign *** NIKOGENES - KALLIMACHOS 2 & 3 Magistrates
72 93/2 Headress of Isis *** DEMEAS - HERMOKLES 3 Magistrates N
73 92/1 Dolphin & Trident *** XENOCLES- HARMOXENOS ( 11) 2 Magistrates
74 91/0 Kerchnos*** note 1 MNASEAS - NESTOR 2 Magistrates
75 90/9 Roma *** XENOCLES - HARMOXENOS ( 111) 2 Magistrates
76 89/8 Roma & Nike *** KOINTOS - KLEAS 3 Magistrates
77 88/7 Griffin *** APELLIKON - GORGIAS 3 Magistrates
78 87/6 Star between Crescents *** note 4 KING MITHRADATES - ARISTION 2 Magistrates always from now
79 86/5 2 Ears of corn *** KOINTOS - CHARMOST * Imitation Restored*
80 85/4 Beatyl with Fillets *** KLEOPHANES - EPITHETES N NO Z
81 84/3 Harmodios&Aristogeiton *** MENTOR - MOSCHION
82 83/2 Isis *** ARCHITIMOS - DEMETRI
83 82/1 Poppy Head ** LUSANDROS - OINOPHILOS
84 81/0 Demeter Single Torch ** AMPHIAS - OINOPHILOS
85 80/9 Ares ? ** EUMELOS - THEOXENIDES
86 79/8 Stag ** NESTOR - MNSEAS N
87 78/7 Bakchos ** SOTADES - THEMISTOKLES
88 ?? Demeter & Artemis ** LYKIOS - ANTIKRATHES
89 ?? Herekles ** PANTAKLES - DEMETRIOS
90 ?? Looped Fillet ** THEOTHRASTOS - THEMISTO
91 ?? Sphinx ** DIOPHANTOS - AISCHINES
92 ?? Isis ** DEMEAS - KALLIKRATIDES
93 ?? Apollo with Lyre note 3 MNASTORGORAS - MENTOR
94 ?? Helmet ALKETE - EYAPON
95 ?? Dionysus DIONYSIOS - MNASTAGORAS
96 ?? Apollo Lykeios EPIGENES - XENON
97 ?? Demeter MENEDEMOS - TIMOKRATES
98 ?? Hekate MENNEAS - ERODES
99 ?? Winged Caduceus DIONYSIOS - DEMOSTRATOS
100 ?? Cicada No tetradrachms known (Democharcs-Pammenes)
101 ?? Asklepios DIOKLES - LEONIDES
102 ?? Dionysus PHILOKRATHES - ERODES
103 ?? Triptolemus KALLIMAXOS - EPIKRATES
104 ?? Fillleted Thyrsos ARCHITIMOS - PAMMENES
105 ?? Hygiaie DIOKLES - TODEY - MEDIOS
106 ?? Demeter APELLIKON - ARISTOTELES
107 ?? Head of Eagle note 5 HERAKLON - ERAKLEIDES
108 ?? Hekate TRYPHON - POLUCHARMOS
109 ?? Nike PHILOKRATHES - KALLIPHON
110 ?? Dionysos TO TRI DIOKLES - DIODOROS
111 ?? Athena Parthenos DIOKLES - MEDIOS
112 53/
42 BC? Artemis END of NEW STYLE COINAGE ?? APOLECHIS - LYSANDROS
Note 1 Here because of Morkholm " The beginning of Athenian New Style silver coinage" ANSMN 29 1984 Also intercalary N , the only intercalary without a Z month indicates that there appears to be little chance of a Z being a sideways N.
Note 2a, 2b Order change : H. B.Mattingly " Some Third magistrates in the Athenian New Style silver coinage" J Hell Stud 1971
Note 3 Hierpetyna Hoard- New tetradrachm " The Hierapytna Hoard - A Supplement" Revue Belge de Numasmatique 1975 O.Carramessini- Oeconomides & Fred Kleiner. Habicht 1994 does not have this coin in his list- a fatal weakness?
m Sequence from :Meadows " "Thasos" / New Style Hoard" in Coin Hoards 9
*** Sequence from Morkholm " The beginning of Athenian New Style silver coinage" ANSMN 29 1984
++ Sequence from "Review of LGPN 2" H.B. Mattingly NC 1997
Thompson knew 110 issues NOW 113, consisting of the Star & Crescent King Mithradates " special issue", restoration of the KOINTOS "imitation" and the NEW MNESTAGORAS- MENTOR SEATED APOLLO with LYRE from the Hierapytna hoard. Does the Slave Revolt / No Coinage year actually add a year or even exist? The V large issue of Caps of Dioscuri .issue 69 has been stated to be a correction for a no issue or a very low previous issue due to the Slave revolt at Laurion. There is no room or evidence for a very low issue previous.
note 4 Morkholm has King Mithradates as issue 78 because Fawn / Bee given 1 issue number since BOTH only in one year
N* New intercalary : MacDonald, D * A new Athenian intercalary tetradrachm" SM 192 1999
** Habicht, Ch " zu den munzmagistraten der Silberpragung des Neuen Stils" Chiron 1991 Habicht does not include the APOLLO with LYRE. NEW COIN and just basically follows Thompson each descending year down to 54/3 BC. Not defensible really because of so few coins and likely new finds. So stopped at Backhos.
note 5 A die link, but not absolute positioning from the "Hierpetyna Hoard- New tetradrachm " The Hierapytna Hoard - A Supplement" Revue Belge de Numasmatique 1975 O.Carramessini- Oeconomides & Fred Kleiner.
cicerokid:
Here it is my long awaited sequence list of New Style silver coins from all available sources.
The bedrock is Thompson, M. " The New Style silver coinage of Athens" ANS 1961 and this compilation is the changes to that.
After the king Mithradates issue issue 78 the New style sequences becomes actually patchy with low numbers of coins known and in one case no known tetradrachms and only enough types to go yearly to the 50's BC.
I have stopped when I think that the evidence for tight sequencing and accuracy becomes untenable Maybe I should have stopped a bit earlier...who knows.
Cicerokid
cicerokid:
BTW, comments & suggestions, criticisms & rebukes etc are most welcome.
Remember there is no original work of mine here it is a compilation.
Also I can only read English and my copy of Habicht is not liked by google translate. It doesn't recognise some German letters and huge German words, nevermind technical words. It misses meanings altogether. It is quite a task trying to understand what it is trying to say...bit like ancient Greek.
All sources (available to me ) is just that. Recently, David Macdonald was very generous and a great help with his and a few other sources that he provided.
I continue to seek new sources as well as trying to read old more dated sources: they might come back into fashion with one new discovery!
Where say, Mattingly, has done a sequence shift due to not wanting 2 intercalery years adjacent, I have allowed this because nobody I can find has argued against it.
Nobody really knows if the Athenians were" hung up" about regular intercalery years or not.
Coins do TEND to show there were largish gaps between known intercalary coins, albeit of irregular lengths. This is reflected in my compilation.
David MacDonald published a new Athenian intercalary coin (but with little response).
That would tend to show that others might have existed , but also remember that not every month was necesseraly minted:there are many gaps in amphora month dates for coins, but some gaps are being filled with new coins coming to the market-see my last coin MIKION- Nike driving Quadriga discussion in Forum's Members Gallery.
Cicerokid
Dino:
Thanks, Cicerokid. Great info.
cicerokid:
djmacdo wrote as a comment on one of my posts that maybe I should write brief notes on my researches to expand and fill -in Thompson's catalogue in her brilliant work " The New Style silver coinage of Athens" ANS 10 1961.
For some short while I have been collecting and storing e-bay and other auction images and the information ( often wrong) on these types.
For the early catalogue this is an easier option and thus I have started here with Cicada. These coins are the first type to exhibit a control and always on the amphora.
I have noted new amphora month letters T= in Thompson, NEW= New to Thompson and the source the evidence was obtained.
I have diligently identified the Obverses as they appear in Thompson. This is often wrong or just given as an approximate reference in sales details.
Other sources are publications which I can only have access to a very few and then just happen on them in the fine details. There are 3 such notes at the bottom of the table indicating a new obverse which I have designated with an X since C Lorber said it was close to T68 as T68X.
New reverses can only be properly designated, if the amphora letter is NOT previously known to Thompson, because of the limited number of reverses in the plates. The obverses are more important.
Thus New amphora letters obviously mean NEW reverses, but on my research I located a unique
( not now: see below) RIGHT SIDED CICADA symbol coupled with an early obverse that shows the symbol position was not fixed at first. sadly the amphora letter is impossible to read for this example but one could reasonably summise an early one.
Where possible I shall attach photographs and I shall acknowledge the sources. Since this is a research article I can only crave the owners indulgence for my usage.
Well here goes.
CICADA 153/2 BC
Amphora
Letter Thompson? Obv Comments
A T
B T
Γ T T66 Confirmed NumismatikLanz sept 27
Δ T
E T
Z NEW T72 CNG Coin shop research
Z
(retrograde) -
Z
(3rd type) -
Η -
Θ T
I T
K T
Λ NEW T69 Source ROMA May 22nd 2013 auction
M T
N -
N -
(retrograde)
New Obverse noted by C Lorber in “Commerce “Demetrios 1” Hoard” 2003 (CH 10.301). Noted as being close to T 68 but new.
Designated T 68X
New reverse: Cicada in the Right field: Not imitation Source: CNG research 112, Lot: 31. Closing Apr 13, 2005 at 9:31:00 a.m. ET. ATTICA, Athens. Circa 168/5-50 BC. AR New Style Tetradrachm (34mm, 16.65 gm). Struck 153/152 BC.
The Obverse is T 65.
This early obverse is paired with a reverse ( but sadly unreadable in the right sided Cicada),associated with amphora letter A shows that the position of the Cicada symbol was not fixed at first.
A 2nd example also with T65 Obverse but with a NEW REVERSE die is noted from the Gaziantep Hoard ( below), again the amphora cannot be read. This takes published precedence over the CNG coin
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