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Author Topic: Lysimachos, silver tetradrachm  (Read 1891 times)

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Ekaterina P

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Lysimachos, silver tetradrachm
« on: August 13, 2007, 09:30:28 pm »
Hi all,
This coin has raised the doubts at some numismatists.

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Re: Lysimachos, silver tetradrachm
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2007, 09:31:50 pm »
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Offline awl

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Re: Lysimachos, silver tetradrachm
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2007, 09:48:41 pm »
Although I am not familiar with Greeks, your coins look suspicious. Can u post a picture from above?

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Re: Lysimachos, silver tetradrachm
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2007, 09:52:16 pm »
It looks struck and is OK for style, maybe heavily cleaned and has a large scrape across obverse at neck and adjoining hair.

I wouldnt condemn it yet...

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Offline El Reye

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Re: Lysimachos, silver tetradrachm
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2007, 12:13:14 am »
What is the size and weight?
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Re: Lysimachos, silver tetradrachm
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2007, 02:17:17 am »
30 mm, 17.1-17.2 g.

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Re: Lysimachos, silver tetradrachm
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2007, 08:44:50 pm »
good weight and size.

I would get it checked by a dealer but looks good to me from photo (albeit the scrape doesnt add to it much).

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Re: Lysimachos, silver tetradrachm
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2007, 02:18:01 pm »
My first impression is that it is a fake.  Here is why:

1. In the second photo (of the edge), there appears to be a cast seem. (See the photo I modified below).
2. None of the letters have stress marks from being struck.
3. The edges of the coin seem extremely smooth.

Although if you discount the "seam" to me the coin almost looks mechanically pressed.
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Re: Lysimachos, silver tetradrachm
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2007, 06:53:18 am »
Hi Rick

I can't condemn the coin from what I see but to be on the safe side suggest no-one buys it!

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Re: Lysimachos, silver tetradrachm
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2007, 03:20:38 am »
I think that the groups of parallel lines on the neck and some on the cheek are very important to be noticed as one mentioned above. It best fits the model of a fake filed coin!

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Re: Lysimachos, silver tetradrachm
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2007, 04:32:44 am »
Rick, I saw the line you pointed out and it does not look like seam lines that I have seen on other cast coins.  If it was a pressed fake as you pointed out, why would it have a seam line?

As for the marks on the surface that Arya believes to be file marks, they don't look like file marks to me because they are not evenly spaced apart like the teeth on a file would make.  They look like normal scape marks that would occur if some one dropped the coin or handled it too roughly.

Is the coin a counterfeit or not, I really don't know and would not want to make a judgment call without seeing the coin in hand and doing a lot of research.  I just can't tell from the photographs alone.

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Re: Lysimachos, silver tetradrachm
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2007, 08:23:30 pm »
I agree... this coin has too many red flags even if it is real.

As for the seam... could have cast the blank, then pressed the coin.
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