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davidg88

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Roman Coin - Aurelian ID
« on: January 02, 2014, 03:47:13 pm »
Hey Everyone,

I was hoping for some assistance on this coin.

The details I have are as follows
AURELIAN AE ANTONINIANUS
23MM , 3.53GM

However, when inspecting the coin I can't find any similar Obverse

Observe
IMP C M AVR _ _ VS AVG


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Re: Roman Coin - Aurelian ID
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2014, 03:49:16 pm »
Hi,

When taking a screenshot of the website you had your mouse over the image, so there is a text box that obscures part of the coin. Could you fix the image?

Seems like IMP C M AVRELIANVS AVG

Reverse is pretty worn but looks like FIDES MILITVM, Fides standing left, holding standard and scepter.

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Re: Roman Coin - Aurelian ID
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2014, 03:59:55 pm »
Thank you very much

The back appears as you mentioned. The detail in  person is much better.


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Re: Roman Coin - Aurelian ID
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2014, 03:43:28 am »

I read IMP C M AVR CARINVS AVG.

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Re: Roman Coin - Aurelian ID
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2014, 09:21:43 am »
Hmm, you are right. But there is a missing vertical stroke. IMP CM AVR CARIIVS AVG

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Re: Roman Coin - Aurelian ID
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2014, 09:57:42 am »
The extra I throws me off. I can't seem to find any rulers that match this.

The closest I found was the following

Thanks for the help.

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Re: Roman Coin - Aurelian ID
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2014, 10:52:43 am »
Yes looking at Helvetica's excel sheets I see that KA :Greek_epsilon: is the only exergue listed for FIDES MILITVM of Carinus with the IMP CM AVR CARINVS AVG obverse legend. Looking other examples of these issues the legend seems to usually have the correct amount of vertical strokes. Quite puzzled by this as well. Maybe it is an error by the die maker?

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Re: Roman Coin - Aurelian ID
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2014, 02:30:33 pm »
Interesting..Were these type of errors common?

I can't seem to find any other explaination for this one. I'm surprised as this was sold to me as a basic Aurelian ID.

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Re: Roman Coin - Aurelian ID
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2014, 02:53:45 pm »
CARINUS - Minted 283 – 285AD
ObverseIMP CM AVR CARIINVS AVG
ReverseFIDES MILITVM – KA Epsilon
Minted Rome -

Potential Die-Maker Error? or Could this be an ancient counterfeit?

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Re: Roman Coin - Aurelian ID
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2014, 05:42:57 pm »
You read CHRIIVS.

I would say that the first upright of your H is actually the final downwards sloping stroke of an A, and the second upright of your H is actually the upright of the R following the A.

The normal reading then follows easily: CARINVS.
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Re: Roman Coin - Aurelian ID
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2014, 11:45:19 pm »
You read CHRIIVS.

I would actually say the first upright of your H is actually the final downwards sloping stroke of an A, and the second upright of your H is actually the upright of the R following the A.

The normal reading then follows easily: CARINVS.

I agree with you, it seems to say CARINVS.


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Re: Roman Coin - Aurelian ID
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2014, 08:12:01 am »
You read CHRIIVS.

I would say that the first upright of your H is actually the final downwards sloping stroke of an A, and the second upright of your H is actually the upright of the R following the A.

The normal reading then follows easily: CARINVS.

Sorry, my MSPaint handwriting isn't too good - I mean to spell out CARIIVS on my earlier image.

I'm not really seeing CARINVS. Are you suggesting that the CA is perhaps written as a sort of ligature, something like this?

 

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