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Offline Lerian

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The Dorchester Hoard
« on: December 29, 2022, 05:54:44 am »
How useful would the Anne Robertson, An Inventory of Romano-British Coin Hoards, RNS Special Publication no 20, be for the coins of Philip I & II and Gordian III?

I have found the original Numismatic Chronicle report by Harold Mattingley on Jstor but can't download it.

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Re: The Dorchester Hoard
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2022, 06:04:36 am »

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Re: The Dorchester Hoard
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2022, 06:35:39 am »
Thank you Pekka K,

it gives me more than enough information to see it's not what I would need.

so.... does anyone have a printable version of the original Mattingley report?

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Re: The Dorchester Hoard
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2022, 07:33:29 am »
I have the book in my library. Can you tell me more precisely what information you need, since it’s a 520 pages monster describing 1900 different hoards
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Re: The Dorchester Hoard
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2022, 07:39:38 am »
I was hoping that the report would help with the number of different types found in the hoard - a sort of go to when recording the relative scarcity such as with the Reka Devnia hoard.

However having never seen it I am not sure if it contains this information or rather just the number of coins found for each emperor? 

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Re: The Dorchester Hoard
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2022, 08:12:57 am »
The bad news: they do not give many details about the hoard you’re looking for. The good news: there is a very detailed inventory of coins and type of the Dorchester Hoard in the Cunetio hoard book ! PM me your e-mail and I’ll send you a copy of the pages later today when I’m back from work.
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Re: The Dorchester Hoard
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2022, 08:24:04 am »
I do not have much detailed information on the hoard either, but here is a photo of the hoard if that is of interest to you.

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Re: The Dorchester Hoard
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2022, 11:59:38 am »
Thank you all for your help.

Dominic T, I have hopefully sent you a message.

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Re: The Dorchester Hoard
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2022, 02:02:41 pm »
Lerian,

About twenty years ago I was able to work out, though never published in detail, the sequence of the reverse types of the Roman coinages of Gordian III and Philip I-II, making heavy use of Mattingly's specimen counts of the antoninianus types by Cohen numbers.

Mattingly's inventory, which you have seen, is extremely useful for showing the comparative volumes of production of the antoninianus types, like the Reka Devnia hoard for the denarii and antoniniani of a slightly earlier period. So I am a little mystified what sort of additional information you appear to hope might be provided by other publications of the Dorchester hoard?
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Re: The Dorchester Hoard
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2022, 02:24:10 pm »
Curtis,

I have seen but have no hard copy of Mattingley's work to use as a reference. I can access it for a number of times but after that unless I pay for a subscription, which I doubt would be used fully, my reference to it for the future would end.

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Re: The Dorchester Hoard
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2022, 05:35:04 pm »
This one-page scan covers all the Dorchester coins of those two reigns.
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Re: The Dorchester Hoard
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2022, 03:29:35 pm »
Thank you to everyone for all of your very useful help. Much appreciated.

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Re: The Dorchester Hoard
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2023, 09:26:22 am »
@Lerian: I have the extract of the Dorchester Hoard article in NC 1939 which included 3 plates, as a pdf.
If you (or anyone else) want(s) a copy, please send me an email (not PM) - my address is on my profile page.

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Re: The Dorchester Hoard
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2023, 11:54:20 am »
Hi Lerian,

I have a PDF of Mattingly's 1936 NC article that I have uploaded to my Google Drive. I believe you should be able to download it (it is set to "Viewers can download," so let me know if that doesn't work & I'll try something else): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k9GBtYB7CWp9eknBU1CU2ivoz1J4j9oo/view?usp=sharing

I got the article after buying about a half dozen or so ex-Dorchester Hoard Philips and Gordian III's from the sale of the Ken Bressett Collection last year. But it's obviously of much more general value, as the other comments have pointed out.

I believe I originally found the PDF of the volume on Archive, and saved the pages I wanted.

By the way, you mentioned losing access to the article on JSTOR when you're on the free tier (which is what I use now), but I don't think that's quite how it works. You get 100 free articles per month. (That's not an insurmountable quantity, but a lot of the numismatic / classics articles I read on JSTOR turn out to be Open Access/downloadable, which don't count against your hundred.) So even if you do use all 100, it restarts the next month. I don't recall if you get "charged" each day that you read the article, or once per month-per-article. (I.e., If I were to read the same 4 articles every day, whether my credits would run out after 25 days, or if I would still have 96/100 remaining.) I do believe I've re-loaded and read the same article many times in one day and only used one credit.

(As I understand it, it's not considered risky to publicly share a Google Drive document link, as above, as long as the file itself isn't anything important, but if I'm mistaken, pls let me know, or if it violates any rule.)

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P.S. Here are some of my Ken Bressett Coll. Dorchesters. Not particularly notable aside from having come from that collection & hoard, which is why I chose them (full size img.):
“Collect the collectors…” John W Adams’ advice to J Orosz (Asylum 38, 2: p51)

Galleries https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/index.php?cat=27154

 

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