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Offline Bogdan O

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Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« on: October 23, 2021, 12:33:44 pm »
There's an eBay seller that I've bought a number of coins, mostly bulk, uncleaned 3rd and 4th century bronzes, over the past year and a half. He's occasionally had some 1st and 2nd century silver, and a byzantine bronze here and there. I'm far from well versed in modern fakes but I've never suspected him of selling them.

He's never had any golds. Until now, when he put up the 3 below. By themselves they look suspicious to me. A little too well centered, and I think I see some casting bubbles. But taken in the context of his past offerings it really stands out. He also 'took them down' shortly after posting them which adds to the intrigue.

In any case, looking for your thoughts on what to make of these. The weights are listed at 1.1 - 1.3g for all of them.

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Re: Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2021, 01:11:50 pm »
Definitely not Byzantine. These are types I do not know, but I would be a bit surprised to learn they are genuine.
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Re: Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2021, 04:02:27 pm »
The objects imitate visigothic coins
The first Reccesvind or Reccared in Toledo
Second = Pseudo Imperial
Third = Sisenand from Emerita

Forgeries of course

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Re: Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2021, 06:27:26 pm »
The workmanship is very similar to fakes emanating from eastern Europe.  I would not trust any of them.  To me, they just look wrong.

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Re: Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2021, 07:17:02 pm »
Not my area of expertise but I would be really surprised if these coins were authentic.
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Re: Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2021, 10:46:52 am »
The objects imitate visigothic coins
The first Reccesvind or Reccared in Toledo
Second = Pseudo Imperial
Third = Sisenand from Emerita

Forgeries of course

Yes, and all really poor fakes.
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Re: Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2021, 06:48:40 pm »
Since we're now all in agreement would y'all recommend:
1) submitting all 3 as fake coin reports?
2) adding the seller to the NFSL?
3) continue to monitor the seller to see if he posts fakes like this again? Like I said in the original post, I watch his lots with regularity and this is the first time I've had any concerns and he did take all of them down before they sold.

Many thanks!
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Re: Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2021, 08:09:23 am »
PS Your signature needs to be either
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or
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Re: Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2021, 08:46:57 am »
Fake coin reports please.

You cannot add the seller to the NFSL (only I can do that). You could and should nominate a seller for the NFSL if you believe they are a fraud. Since the seller took them down, I don't think you should nominate them.
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Re: Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2021, 02:30:58 am »
PS Your signature needs to be either
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or
DIVVS VALERIANVS OPTIMVS (nominative)

Richard

Thank you for the correction. I clearly need some help  ;D
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Re: Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2021, 07:48:06 am »
I'm always trying to spread the good news of Latin, even if it's just one ending at a time! :-)

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Re: Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2021, 08:01:35 am »
Bogdan O, I just watched one of your videos.  I am writing here, instead of a private message, so others may know your videos are worth watching.  (The link is in his signature in the post above.)

The video production is superb. I wish I knew how to make videos like that. Wow.

Your cleaning technique is excellent. I believe you are working under magnification but you did not show what you are using for magnification. You should make that clear so those imitating your technique use magnification.

It appears you filled the patina gaps/chips with something to match the green color. You didn't show that but it does appear you did something. The results are very attractive. I would like to know how you did that. 

Nice job. I will have to watch the other videos when I get time. 
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Re: Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2021, 08:02:15 am »
I'm always trying to spread the good news of Latin, even if it's just one ending at a time! :-)

Richard

I wish I had studied Latin in school. It would surely help me now.
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Re: Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2021, 07:53:24 am »
I wish I had studied Latin in school. It would surely help me now.

It's never too late.
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Re: Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2021, 06:03:15 am »
Except now I am studying Italian and I am not smart enough to try two languages at once.
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Re: Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2021, 06:26:41 am »
But you choose the wrong sequence:  ;D
First Latin - then Italien, French - even reading Romanian is possible

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Re: Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2021, 10:18:19 am »
But you choose the wrong sequence:  ;D
First Latin - then Italien, French - even reading Romanian is possible
And when you have time after this - Ancient Greek is a hard task  :evil:

Klaus is right: all Romance languages are so much easier after Latin (and it helps enormously with English as well). As for Ancient Greek, I tell my Greek classes on the first day that's it's not rocket science, it's harder than rocket science, and may be the hardest thing they ever do at university. But knowing it gives you access to 2,000 years of thought from the crucible of human civilization, which is more than any other language save Hebrew, I think.

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Re: Suspicious Byzantine Golds
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2021, 03:15:45 pm »
I took ancient Greek in high school when either that or Latin was required. I wish I had retained more of it.

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