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Author Topic: Very Rare Vespasian & Titus year 1 with a Gorgon tetradrachm added  (Read 60130 times)

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Re: Caesar elephant and Taras added
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2018, 04:15:58 am »
After some more research I've found your didrachm, but i was a little off on the date.
It is Vlasto 384, Period III, 380-345 BC (Age of Archytas); Fischer-Bossert 428, where it is given the date 390-380 and corresponded to SNG ANS 901. And it does appear to be scarce with those control marks.
There is no exact match in Evans, SNG France, McGill or Cote.
Nice find!

- Peter

PS; the Caesar elephant is pretty cool too!   ;)

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Re: Caesar elephant and Taras added
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2018, 10:19:05 pm »
Excellent!  Thanks Peter!

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Re: Caesar elephant and Taras added
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2018, 09:25:05 pm »
Cool coins, coin-bro ... I love the elephant that's been slashed almost in half! (cool addition of coin-history)

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Re: Nice heavy BPETTIΩN added
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2018, 03:57:04 pm »
Thanks!

This one arrived the other day.  A nice heavy coin from the last years of the 2nd Punic war.  Love the brown chocolate patina.

 https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-149184

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Re: Nice heavy BPETTIΩN added
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2018, 05:56:50 pm »
Nice addition, Jay,  +++

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Re: Nice heavy BPETTIΩN added
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2018, 06:07:51 pm »
It is a handsome coin.
congratulations!
John

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Re: Nice heavy BPETTIΩN added
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2018, 07:34:30 pm »
I was thinking about getting a very similar coin just last week, but not as nice as this one. congratulations!

~ Peter

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Re: Nice heavy BPETTIΩN added
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2018, 07:35:39 pm »
Thanks guys!

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Re: Nice heavy BPETTIΩN added
« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2018, 09:09:01 am »
Awesome addition, Jay (congrats) ... yup, that's a rugged lookin' coin (very cool)

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Re: Nice heavy BPETTIΩN added
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2018, 03:15:39 am »
Hi Jay,

Nice coin! :)

You attributed your coin as "HN Italy ? depends on mark off flan" In my mind, this is an awkward way of attributing a coin. It may also be confusing and misleading. Someone may interpret your attribution as implying that the coin is unpublished or something like that.

I think that a better way of describing it would be:

HN Italy x-y
HN Italy x-y var.
type of HN Italy x-y

I have 2 more references for you. They are SNG ANS 72-84 and SNG Cop. 1631-1644. The SNG ANS examples range in weight from 9.12g to 17.14g. The SNG Cop. examples range in weight from 11.92g to 20.13g.

Now, I want to discuss the reverse symbol. I looked at about 20 examples of those coins in those 2 reference books. About 95% of them have a symbol on the reverse, under the shield. About 5% (one of them) have no symbol at all on the reverse. The one with no symbol at all is SNG Cop. 1631. It is entirely possible that your coin is one of those.

I know that it is possible that the symbol on your example is off the flan and/or worn. That may be the case. However, on about 90% of those coins, the symbol below the shield (or at least a portion of it) is far enough to the left that it (or a portion of it) should be visible under the left half of the bottom of the shield. On your example, there is nothing there. In my mind, that implies that it is more likely that your coin never had any symbol at all on the reverse. It is not a 100% certainty, but I think it is more likely the case.

If it was my coin, I would attribute it as:

SNG Cop. 1631
SNG ANS 72-84 var.

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Re: Nice heavy BPETTIΩN added
« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2018, 03:23:40 am »
Hi folks,

For comparison purposes, I have a similar coin (scroll down, fifth coin):

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/gi_brut_bret.htm

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Re: Nice heavy BPETTIΩN added
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2018, 12:32:38 pm »
Thanks Meep, I put the question mark because I was going to come back to it when I had some time...

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Re: Nice heavy BPETTIΩN added
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2018, 10:17:10 pm »
Hi Jay,

Your coin has captured my interest. I decided to look in SNG ANS again, and I noticed something that I hadn't noticed the first time I looked in it. There are more examples of this type in that reference book. The SNG ANS 72-84 examples have no fulmen on the obverse. However, there are several SNG ANS examples with a fulmen on the obverse. These are SNG ANS 94-101. They range in weight form 14.05g to 18.56g. For some reason, ANS didn't consecutively include them with the others. Maybe they felt that the time period is different?

Your example has a fulmen on the obverse. I hadn't noticed it the first time I looked at it. It is sort of faint.

So, that means that I would attribute your coin as:

SNG Cop. 1631
SNG ANS 94-101 var.

It is not SNG ANS 72-84 var. because those have no fulmen on the obverse.

I also noticed something else interesting. I examined your coin more closely. On the reverse, under the shield, there is probably no symbol. However, there is something there that is very faint. It sort of looks like a semi-curved vertical line. In all likelihood, it is probably not part of a symbol. But there is a remote possibility that it is part of a symbol that is now worn. In case that is the situation, I looked in SNG ANS and SNG Cop. again. I still couldn't find any symbol that even remotely looks like that. However, I did find something interesting. There is a coin type that is similar to yours. It has basically the same reverse, but a different obverse. It has Herakles on the obverse instead of Ares. On one SNG ANS example of that type (the Herakles type), there is a plow symbol on the reverse. There is a remote possibility that the reverse of your coin has a plow symbol below the shield, but I still think it is more likely that it never had any symbol at all. The problem is that that specific area of your coin (the 5:00 position on the reverse) is so worn.

I have an example of that type (the Herakles type). It is in the same page as the link in my post above. My example has a plow symbol, and it is also faint. It is not even clearly visible in the photo.

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Re: Nice heavy BPETTIΩN added
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2018, 11:30:50 pm »
Thanks Meep, in all likelihood it probably has no mark on the reverse and the chances of a mixed die with the Harakles type is probably a stretch.   I was planning on looking for a die match and pouring over the references this week but you've given me a good start!  There are all kinds of symbols that could be that far off flan such as a wreath, bucranium, lyre, owl...die match may be the only way to know for sure...

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Re: Corinth stater added
« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2018, 09:51:54 am »
Got this one at a coin show on the weekend.  Only attributed as a Corinthian stater (obviously)

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-149810

Stylistically it looks like the type from 345-307 BC.  koppa just visible under Pegasus.  Scarcer? Athena facing right but no magistrates or monograms.  Anyone recognize the attribution?

And added this Brettian Quadrantes with Zeus hurling a thunderbolt.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-149812

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Re: Corinth stater & Brettian Zeus added
« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2018, 10:28:55 am »
I like them both ... I "love" the new Zeus addition (congrats)

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Re: Rare Ephesian Domitian denarius added!
« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2018, 11:08:30 am »
Thanks guys.  Added a rare denarius from Ephesus for Domitian:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150117

Typical rough flan but a decent coin!

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Re: Rare Ephesian Domitian denarius added!
« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2018, 04:39:49 pm »
A very nice coin Jay. One of these is on my list.

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Re: Rare Ephesian Domitian denarius added!
« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2018, 05:39:20 pm »
Thanks Andrew, these can get crazy expensive.  I got this one as a place holder for one that I may never get in better condition! ;D

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Re: Rare Ephesian Domitian denarius added!
« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2018, 07:55:00 pm »
Pretty cool ... your coin-sense rocks (another sweet rugged coin => cha-ching)

=> keep-up the awesome work

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Re: Rare Ephesian Domitian denarius added!
« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2018, 12:22:25 pm »
Nice find Jay, not easy to find this... +++

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Re: Vespasian Mars sestertius & Domitian Wolf denarius added!
« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2018, 07:07:23 pm »
Thanks Q!

From southern Italy back to the Flavians.

I sold the previously bent and cracked Caesar Elephant at Forum's auction last week.  With the proceeds I acquired this great Vespasian sestertius with Mars reverse.  Ex-CNG.  Cleaning scratches not nearly as visible in hand.  A nice heavy coin with dark green/brown patina:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150514

Also added one I've been looking for for a long time.  Domitian wolf and twins denarius.  A decent example, these are usually pretty rough and worn:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-150515

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Re: Vespasian Mars sestertius & Domitian Wolf denarius added!
« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2018, 10:02:23 pm »
Great coins Jay!

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Re: Vespasian Mars sestertius & Domitian Wolf denarius added!
« Reply #48 on: October 28, 2018, 02:55:08 am »
Nice piece both, Jay... ;) +++

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Re: Vespasian Mars sestertius & Domitian Wolf denarius added!
« Reply #49 on: October 28, 2018, 09:33:15 am »
Thanks guys!

 

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