Avitus AE4?

[Luuk S]

Hi all

Today i received a lot of 8 AE4's from the 5th century. It included the coin shown below.
I think it might be an Avitus AE4, however considering how rare those are it's maybe wishfull thinking.
It's a really worn and crude coin, however this is normal for 5th century AE4's.
Please let me know what you think!

gr Luuk

Obverse: [..] PF AVG, Emperor's head to right
Reverse: [VICTOR] IA AVGG, S in left field. Victory holding wreath.
Mintmark: [..]
Weight: 0.84 g
Diameter: 12 mm
Literature: RIC X 2413?

[BiancasDad]

Maybe Honorius Vandal issue?

[Luuk S]

I've found a blog discussing the problem with these coins: https://dirtyoldcoins.com/Roman-Coins-Blog/1239
Here the case is made that most of the AE4's identified as Avitus are in fact misattributed AE4's of Honorius from Rome, struck between 410-423 AD (RIC 1357).
However, i'm not so sure if this can be the case for all AE4's with VICTORIA AVGG reverse and S in left field.
The AE4 shown below was sold on eBay last year (?), but the obverse does seem to read 'AVITVS', not Honorius.
I can only find the picture of the obverse, but the reverse had the VICTORIA AVGG with S in left field (i was the underbidder for this lot, unfortunately)

Does anyone here have a RIC X 2413, which can be positively identified to Avitus via the legend on obverse?
Or alternatively, does anyone have a good example of RIC X 1357, postively attributed to Honorius?
I cannot find any clear examples of either type online. Thanks!

gr Luuk

[Flav V]

This one seems good: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8312547

The only problem is that the coin is from Numismatik Naumann which ''ameliorate'' coins by re-engraving legends... Im 70% conviced this coin is from Avitus. But i search a better copy.

[Poemenius]

I'm sorry but at present no avitus AE coin can surely considerate as existing
all supposed coins are
1 - Honorius Rome
2 - Theodosius Rome
3 - Valentiniano III rome somentimes with a very well known inversion DN AVL-NIA AVG
4 - tooled
5 - etc
....just look at all these coins... no one have the legend on the left part legible ...ask why... because if it is present, you will see it is not Avitus

[Poemenius]

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8312547
thi one is hevily tooled...
please
how many letters can you count after PF ?
so... no doubt I think....

[Flav V]

Im sorry its not the good link i posted. Here is the good link: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4894397

The other link is a fake i listed in my fake base but i posted it here by error. Anyway this new link is still problematic with tool and i search an undoubtfull copy. The reason i believe there may be some real coins is that the fact the coins has been modified for Avitus is a proof of coinage attempt. Im sorry i cant say more actually because it touch to my book that i prepare. JM Doyen already read and im finalyzing the work.

[Poemenius]

I am open to every possibility, when I see one I will believe it, for now, I am not inclined to believe in the existence of a thing just because it is technically possible
Greetings
Alain

[Flav V]

Dont worry ill come next years with arguments 

[Poemenius]

this just so as not to leave suspended, is a coin of Theodosius II in Rome under Johannes - it is a VICTORIA and not a SALVS
bye
Alain

[Flav V]

The coin is with Victoria wreath and palm. As noted by RIC X n°2412 and 2413. But im not working on Ae, im on solidi so i will seriously check the coins later.

[Poemenius]

I'm working since 2 years on a total revision of the AE coins in RIC X, thet is why I'm so interested in this argument
all the best
Alain Gennari

[Flav V]

I cant say more sorry. My work should arrive next year.

Will you publish a book about your revision?

[Poemenius]

Yes I will, I hope in 2024 because I'm still touring some Museums.... There will be more or less 900 images of coins, and still 40/50 are very difficult to find... and some are in fact misunderstood ...
I found many variants, and in some cases emissions in more mint than RIC say....
but as I told it will be only AE, that is my real field
I'm looking forward to read your work!!!
all the best
Alain Gennari

[Poemenius]

My last paper for example will be on the next Numismatic Chronicle, and it is about RIC X 3650 and all victory AE4 post 455