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Prokopov noted with the 2008 coin the definition is much clearer inside the
border than outside. And with that coin at least you can see traces of the original
border as well outside the new
border."
I assume you mean this one
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-11854I can only see an atrificial
patina and no second boder but a flaking off
patina at
reverse , if you look at many of these you will see that the position where the
patina is flaking off is different.
Again, I would expect to see parts of the
undertype especially, which I can not see and here.
And of course due to striking there can be slippage and double struck areas on these
fakes, too.
And these (double striking and slippage) could result in a second boder, too (which I can not see here)
And I would expect to see a real
patina and not an artificial
patina.
And why using an authetnic coin as
planchet if you can use artificial
patina and modern
planchet which is cheaper and easier.
I assume you will need much pressure to erase all details of the
undertype and with so much pressure the ancient
planchet will possibly break (already weakend through
flan craks etc) or the
patina will break off.
I tried to
mint coins with some of my dies (have bad ones) and I noticed that you need really much pressure,
good equipment like anvil (which I do not have) and
good planchets and if cold striking for huger ones about 3 attempts (of course depending on power of striker). Hot striking could damage
patina, because
patina is not as elastic as metal, metal is becoming huger in size when heated and shrinking when cooling down) so assume they would use cold striking.
What is strange is that even on edge cracks or areas where the
patina is flaking off I can not see any copper, this would mean that the
patina must be through all layers ?
At least on edge cracks which must have become wider and stronger frompressure of striking I would expect to see copper especially if the edge
crack goes deep, but this seems not to be the case at least on my
fakes.
But if you apply an artificial
patina after strking you will of course not see anywhere where
patina is flaking off or at edge cracks the copper.
I assume that the
patina can go on some
ancient coins through all layers but not on all, I have some anthentic Bronze coins where the
patina is not going through all layers and is not so thick.
And that forgers only used some with thick
patina which goes through many layers would be very unralistic.
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