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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2015, 09:10:59 am »
Many thanksssssssss for your valuable & very scholar study...
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2017, 04:05:57 pm »
LYDIA, Saiita Hadrian AE 31 Tyche Vis á vis Hadrian

Reference.
RPC 3, 2543A; Aufhauser auction 1992 Lot 317

Magistrate.
Cl. Machairiôn (archon)

Obv.   ΑΥΤ ΤΡΑ ΑΔΡΙΑΝΟС ΚΑΙСΑΡ [СΕΒΑС]
Laureate and cuirassed bust of Hadrian, right

Rev. ΕΠΙ ΚΛ ΜΑΧΑΙΡΙΩΝΟС[ ΑΡΧ СΑΙΤΤΗΝΩΝ?]
Tyche of Saiita with mural crown left, clasping hands with togate Emperor right.

14.66 gr
31 mm
7h
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2017, 07:51:40 am »
Thanks for this one Erik, I didn't have it in my list.
But from the curved lines on Hadrian's back on the obverse, I would say it is laureate and draped (and perhaps cuirassed as well, similar to Imhoof 160 in RSN 1913; Winterthur 3886) instead of laureate and cuirassed. The obverse of the plate coin (Roma seated) of Hadrian in RPC (2543) appears to be from the same obverse die but appears to have a __ cutout on Hadrian's back but yours has curved lines.
Imhoof describes his coin as laureate, draped and cuirassed.
Also, your coin should be described as Tyche standing right... and... the emperor standing left, not the other way round. Descriptions are from the viewer's standpoint - (ah, you probably mean Tyche on the left and the emperor on the right...)

Where did you get the RPC 3, 2543A reference from ? Is there already a supplement to RIC III ?

I will add it to the list.

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2017, 07:57:07 am »
thank you, indeed mixed left and right will correct that.
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3383122

here a better similar bust on 2e type

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2017, 02:06:59 pm »
Hi again, Dane, and thanks for this fine work in progress.  Since you've posted to Isegrim Extended I imagine you've already picked up these Lydian issues, but if not, they are probably worth a look (a lot more worth a look if you still have access to old Coin Archives listings, which I don't):
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=49390.msg307622#msg307622
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=49390.25 (several entries; just search "Lydia")
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2017, 12:01:44 am »
Dane,
Just in case you haven't seen them yet, there is an upcoming auction
with a very large number of Lydian coins therein. Their auction (52.II)
ends early April, run by a dealer formerly from Munich, but now based
in Vienna (I am sure you can work out who). All the best,

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2017, 09:31:17 am »
In case you don't have an image of this scarce signed Serapis with Isis from Saitta, AE 18, 3.35 g (only one observed specimen in Isegrim, SNG Cop. 27.394):
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2017, 01:20:05 pm »
hi
take a look about this Pseudo autonomous coin of Sardis.
Checking on internet i managed to discover many specimens like mine but the obverse legend position is completely different, its starting from the right part and not the left like the others i saw.
i have no acces to BMC or any other specilezed numismatics literature, i hope this coin can help your study.
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6-   SARDES - PSEUDO AUTONOMOUS COINAGE, time of Caracalla 212/217 A.D.
AE 15 mm. Ø - 1,8 g. Ref: BMC Lydia 86 - Johnston 262                                                   
O/ ZЄYC ΛY_ΔIOC  (Zeus Lydios). Diademed and draped bust of Zeus Lydios[1]  right.
R/ CAPΔI_ANΩN (of Sardes). Herakles standing facing, head left  leaning on club; lion’s skin draped over left arm.
https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=230075
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2018, 05:42:23 pm »
Sorry, I am 2 months late in replying about this Zeus/Herakles coin.
It is
BMC 85-86; Lindgren I A809A; Mionnet IV, 678; Paris 1167; SNG Munich 499

You will notice that the Z of ZEYC is reversed on the obverse - this is quite normal for these.

Also, because of the huge number of legend breaks, the configuration and start/end points, direction etc. of the 6500 or so Lydian bronzes which I have listed so far in preparation for the new catalog, I will not be differentiating between such differences, otherwise the book would be at least twice as long.

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2018, 05:58:18 pm »
LYDIA, Stratonicea Hadrian Ae. 16 Bust of Senate

Reference.
RPC III, 1776var; vA 3186var bust

Obv.   ΑΥ ΤΡΑΙ ΑΔΡΙΑΝΟN
Laureate bust right, drapery on left shoulder, seen from front

Rev. ΙΝΔΙ СΤΡΑ СΥΝΚΛΗΤΟС
Draped bust of Senate, right.

2.00 gr
(weight given by seller not sure its correct)
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2018, 09:40:43 pm »
Very nice, Thanks E. !

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2018, 02:30:33 am »
Dear Dane, as you mentioned in the Wilwinds the Julia Domna, Hermocapelia, as the Unpublished and you reference in 2017 Auction..

in my Lydian Gallery you can find this coin as Unpublished but I put there in "Aug 07, 2013" :

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-100222

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2018, 07:39:41 am »
LYDIA, Tralles Sabina Ae 21 Demeter standing
A different reverse die

Reference.
RPC III, 2089; Paris 1659;SNG von Aulock -; SNG Copenhagen -; BMC -

Issue   No magistrate name

Obv. СΑΒΕΙΝΑ СΕΒΑСΤΗ
Diademed and draped bust of Sabina, right

Rev. ΤΡΑΛΛΙΑΝΩΝ
Demeter standing l., holding poppy head's in her r. hand, l. resting on sceptre

5.60 gr
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2018, 06:11:49 pm »
@ quadrans
Julia Domna, Hermocapelia, as the Unpublished and you reference in 2017 Auction..

Yes, I have it listed in my Lydian list as Plankenhorn (Naumann) 1020 from Numis. Naumann's auction 52 in April 2017 - it is now in the John Aiello collection.

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Ah, you bought it - (Kölner Münzkabinett auction 4, lot 188, Dec. 2017) ! I saw that they had a whole bunch of rare Lydians. Uncle John is at the ready for the unsold Lydian lots !

Eric: I am missing images of the following Sabina coins of Tralles in case you have any of them:
1) Rev: EPI APELLOY GR TRALLIANWN, eagle standing on sceptre, wings spread. Mionnet IV, 1070; RPC III 2088 (<- I can probably scan the RPC pic)
2) Rev: TRALLIANWN, Female standing left, holding sceptre and the horns of a sacrificial bull standing right before her. Mionnet Supp. VII, 713.
3) Rev: TRALLIANWN, Isis standing facing, wearing lotus headdress, holding sceptre and the infant Horus. Mionnet Supp. VII, 714.

and this Hadrian Tralles coin:
Rev: CYNKLHTOC, bare head of the Senate right. Mionnet IV, 1068.


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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2018, 06:35:31 pm »
Julia Mamaea, mother of Severus Alexander. LYDIA, Akrasus. Æ (22mm, 5.41 gm, 6h). Obv: Draped bust right, wearing stephane. Rev:Zeus (?) standing left, holding patera and scepter. BMC__; SNG Cop__: von Aulock__.
Silver plated in antiquity, traces of which can be seen on the obverse and reverse on the image
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2018, 06:42:08 pm »
Julia Mamaea, Augusta, 222-235 AD. Magnesia (ad Maeandrum, Ionia or ad Sipylum, Lydia). Æ (29mm, 10.64 gm, 6h). Obv: IOYΛIA MAMAIA CEB. Draped bust right. Rev: MAΓNHTΩN on left, ( - - -)NEOKOPΩN  on lower right extending around to ex.?  Bearded male (Zeus?) seated left, holding patera(?) and scepter. BMC__; SNG Cop__; von Aulock__.
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2018, 07:29:11 pm »
@Akropolis (Pete).
Your first one is not Zeus, it is Athena, you can see the back part of her Corinthian helmet.
IOY MAMAIA on the obv / AKRACIWTWN, Athena standing left, holding patera and spear.
SNG von Aulock 8214; Waddington 4858; Paris 33; Vienna GR19353 (my book no. 100).

Your second one must be from Magnesia ad Maeandrum, Ionia, because Magnesia ad Sipylum, Lydia, never had Neocorus status and, in addition, most coins have CIPYLOY, CIP, C, CI, CIPY or similar to indicate which Magnesia was meant.
I can't make out the word NEOKORWN on the coin. The letters in the exergue appear to be AGORA...
In addition there seem to be too many A's down the right hand side, and something at his feet at bottom left, plus he is wearing a polos.
So I would say it is definitely Magnesia, Ionia, with Hades-Serapis seated left with Kerberos at his feet and the rev legend
MAGNHTWN EPI GR ANAXAGORA, which is Schultz 302; SNG Fitz. 4521 and 4525.

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2018, 06:17:59 pm »
Excellent!
Thank you, Dane. I'll go with your interpretations Your eyes are far sharper than mine!
I wish you a healthy and happy New Year.
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2018, 10:12:36 am »
I am not sure if this counts as unpublished.  The inscription is curved in a way that is different from the examples on Wildwinds and in the references I have been able to check myself.  I purchased this coin as unidentified from Brian Kritt because he is very good at identifying and thus this might be rare.

Lydia, Tralles, 250-1 BC, AE15, 2.93g
Obv: Zeus head right
Rev: [ΔΙ]ΟΣ ΛΑΡΑΣΙΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΔΙΟΣ Ε[ΥΜΕΝΟΥ]; Zebu Bull left

The inscription means "Zeus Larasios and Zeus Eumenes". "Zeus at Tralles was called Larasios from a sanctuary at the neighbouring village of Larasa. Zeus ‘Eumenes’ or ‘The Kindly’ may have had a separate sanctuary." (Barclay Head)
A similar reverse was auctioned by Kuenker eLive Auction 40, May 2016, lot 7270 attributed to "BMC -, vergl. 63 ff.; Imhoof-Blumer, Lydische Stadtmünzen vergl. 4; SNG v. Aulock -; SNG München vergl. 967 ff." but the obverse is different in stylehttps://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3095771



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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2018, 04:10:12 pm »
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2018, 08:02:01 am »
hi
i hope this piece could be useful for your book.
i Found just one other on asearchcoins that mark it as unpublished.

ATTALEA - GETA 198/209 A.D. (as Caesar)
AE 16 mm. Ø - 3,1 g.  Unpublished
O/ Π CЄΠ ΓЄT_AC KAI   Laureate and draped bust of Geta right.
R/ A_TTA_ΛЄ_ATΩΝ
Satyr advancing left, holding grape bunch with right hand   and lagobolon over shoulder.

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2018, 05:50:20 pm »
Hi Filippo
I already have a slightly clearer one from the Pecunem Gitbud & Naumann auction 34, lot 655 (August 2015). It is an unlisted type and will be in the book using the Pecunem number as a reference, but if you send me your collection number I will add your number as well.
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2018, 06:03:29 pm »
Lydia, Tralles, 250-1 BC, AE15, 2.93g
Obv: Zeus head right
Rev: [ΔΙ]ΟΣ ΛΑΡΑΣΙΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΔΙΟΣ Ε[ΥΜΕΝΟΥ]; Zebu Bull left

Hi Ed
I have this one listed already as Imhoof LS 4; SNG Munich 697-699 and John Aiello has one under "our" internal number 750.

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2018, 11:30:47 am »
Hi Filippo
I already have a slightly clearer one from the Pecunem Gitbud & Naumann auction 34, lot 655 (August 2015). It is an unlisted type and will be in the book using the Pecunem number as a reference, but if you send me your collection number I will add your number as well.
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you can use  Ly12

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