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What is this thing?
« on: September 28, 2011, 12:27:51 pm »


This is a tiny lead tessera - 0.775g, 9.3mm.  Before even attempting attribution...what is that thing on it?  Anyone know?
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Re: What is this thing?
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2011, 05:57:18 pm »
Tadpole?


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Re: What is this thing?
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2011, 06:06:43 pm »
A wineskin? Sealing an amphora?
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Re: What is this thing?
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2011, 06:23:13 pm »
What a strange piece.  Is that a comma on the obverse? :)
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Re: What is this thing?
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2011, 12:02:16 am »
A bone fish hook?


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Re: What is this thing?
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2011, 01:17:49 am »
 A genie emerging from a lamp?

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Re: What is this thing?
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2011, 06:34:56 am »
Is there any chance it could be much more recent, i.e. 17th century? In which case the ‘thing’ might be a clay pipe, and the object a bag seal or a tobacco token.

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Re: What is this thing?
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2011, 08:00:33 am »
Jaimelai's satyr could give his opinion.

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Re: What is this thing?
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2011, 08:24:18 am »
Jaimelai's satyr could give his opinion.

I was wondering if it could be a phallic symbol as well.

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Re: What is this thing?
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2011, 08:51:31 am »
Jaimelai's satyr could give his opinion.

I was wondering if it could be a phallic symbol as well.

Chris

In which case it might seal something of Trojan origin...    ;D

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Re: What is this thing?
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2011, 01:43:57 pm »
Jaimelai's satyr could give his opinion.

I was wondering if it could be a phallic symbol as well.

Chris

Same here

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Re: What is this thing?
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2011, 10:58:05 pm »
The image bears a striking resemblance to the reverse of another anepigraphic mystery coin.  Hemidrachm, Silver, 1.98 g 12

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Re: What is this thing?
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2011, 11:37:56 pm »
It does appear to be the same thing.  Is the mint or date known for that hemidrachm?  Or is that a mystery too? 
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Re: What is this thing?
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2011, 12:44:58 am »
That tiny silver coin is on Nomos Auction right now:
I agree with it to be a wine flask made of animal skin, or water flask, since it is still in use till now in the small villages on the East, and they use the flask to shake milk as well to make butter , I dont think that the Hemidrachm was minted in Judaea, due to the symbol The Lilly use under the Seleucid rule, and it wasent allowed for the Jews to struck coins on silver with there own symbols, however the symbols indicate connection to Judaea and Jerusalem for sure, so for it to be minted in Cilicia by the Jewish community is very strong argument .
 it is very interesting tessera Joe, and yours would  be more reasonable to be Judaean .


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Judaea (or Cilicia), Hellenistic Period. Jerusalem (?). c. 132-130. Hemidrachm (Silver, 1.98 g 12). Lily; pearl border. Rev. Uncertain object, perhaps a wine flask made of an animal skin, some sort of wind instrument with a mouth piece, or, possibly, a gourd used as a rattle in rituals; border made of a wreath of lily blossoms. Apparently unique and unpublished). An extraordinary coin of the greatest interest and mystery. Good very fine. From the PGB collection, apparently acquired in ancient Zephyrion, modern Mersin, in 1964.
This coin is almost inexplicable. The fact that it is anepigraphic certainly does not help; in some ways this is rather reminiscent of the kind of curious Late Roman silver issues that appeared in the 4th and 5th centuries (those celebrating the House of Constantine from the mint of Constantinople, for example). However, both stylistically and technically such a date is impossible. The place where this piece was purchased, a bustling modern port city with a very long history, could mean that the coin is of Cilician origin, but the fact that it is certainly Hellenistic in date and anepigraphic goes against this, since coins were simply not made in this way in that area at that time. Thus, we could postulate that this coin came from elsewhere and probably arrived in Cilicia in ancient times. The lily is, however, often a specifically Jewish symbol, and has a clear connection with Jerusalem. The lily wreath on the reverse reinforces this symbolism, though the mysterious object on the reverse is as yet unstudied and unidentified save for the few possibilities mentioned above (though it must have some ritual significance). In fact, the best parallel for this coin comes from the prutot that were issued in the name of Antiochos VII by John Hyrcanus I in the late 130s BCE. If that connection seems reasonable, the production of this coin might be connected with Temple usage, perhaps as an attempt to provide a completely Jewish coin for donative purposes, free from any form of pagan symbolism. The fact that there were a considerable numbers of Jews living in Cilicia in ancient times (at least by the 1st century BCE; among other places Zephyrion is mentioned in the Talmud), provides a number of possibilities. 1) this coin was minted in Cilicia for ritual Jewish use by the local community; 2) this coin was minted in Judaea for ritual use and arrived in Cilicia as a keepsake. In any case, what we have, in this small silver coin, is a relic of astounding historical importance.

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Re: What is this thing?
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2011, 12:52:09 am »
I carry one all the time.... keeps thirst at bay.... and when in Pamplona its helps to anesthetize any  encounters with aberrant bulls... 8)  and old Marsyas always had a gallon one at the ready!

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Re: What is this thing?
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2013, 08:37:57 am »
This piece resides in my collection now. I had suggested a cornucopia or aplustre, but those both seem unlikely. An identifaction as a wine flask or phallus both seem more likely now.

 

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