more bad coins from Morocco

[Bill W4]

Sells mostly trinkets and such, but the coins are really bad https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BRoAAOSwAk5kmWix/s-l1600.png

[Bill W4]

sorry, here is the link to all  I hope https://www.ebay.com/itm/166194510028?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D777008%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20230811123856%26meid%3D6c973dba1443440aa370e1f88d469f38%26pid%3D101770%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26itm%3D166194510028%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D4375194%26algv%3DRecentlyViewedItemsV2&_trksid=p4375194.c101770.m4236&_trkparms=parentrq%3Ac42ac4a318a0aab17508b459fffeac9a%7Cpageci%3Ada387f58-5a60-11ee-b914-d26b4342ebe5%7Ciid%3A1%7Cvlpname%3Avlp_homepage

[SRukke]

They state they are replicas in the listing:
....."This is a stylistic piece and is sold as a modern replica, not an authentic item"........

[Lech Stępniewski]

They state they are replicas in the listing:
....."This is a stylistic piece and is sold as a modern replica, not an authentic item"........

In my opinion, it's still a fraud. This information should be in the title of the auction.

[Serendipity]

They state they are replicas in the listing:
....."This is a stylistic piece and is sold as a modern replica, not an authentic item"........

In my opinion, it's still a fraud. This information should be in the title of the auction.

Very well spotted! Yes, the seller should clearly and unambiguously state that it's a replica or copy in the title. I read something interesting regarding replicas on the U.S. Mint's website. I don't know if the act also covers replicas of ancient coins: It is often difficult to distinguish between genuine U.S. coins and replicas. The Hobby Protection Act requires that all imitation coins and other numismatic items be permanently marked with the word “COPY”.

[Joe Sermarini]

Added to the NFSL.

If someone has time, please add fake coin reports for the coins. If you submit more than 25 Fake Coin Reports in one month, we will pay $2 Forum dollars for every report you submitted. You must be registered (have a customer account) to receive Forum dollars. Forum dollars may be used to pay for up to 50% off the total of any Forum Ancient Coins store catalog purchase. 

[Sap]

They state they are replicas in the listing:
....."This is a stylistic piece and is sold as a modern replica, not an authentic item"........

In my opinion, it's still a fraud. This information should be in the title of the auction.

Well, they can't do that. EBay automatically blocks any mention of "replica" in a listing classified by the seller under "Coins". EBay has a total ban on the sale of any counterfeit or replica items - even if they are clearly marked and described as such. You can avoid using the word "replica" in your description, but if someone reports the listing to eBay, eBay will remove it. And yes, this blanket ban does extend to Paduans and ancient circulating counterfeits like fourees.

Very well spotted! Yes, the seller should clearly and unambiguously state that it's a replica or copy in the title. I read something interesting regarding replicas on the U.S. Mint's website. I don't know if the act also covers replicas of ancient coins: It is often difficult to distinguish between genuine U.S. coins and replicas. The Hobby Protection Act requires that all imitation coins and other numismatic items be permanently marked with the word “COPY”.

In the United States, it is mandatory for counterfeit and replica coins to be stamped COPY prior to being offered for sale, or imported. This applies to any coin, ancient or modern, foreign or US. If it doesn't have COPY stamped on it and it's a fake, it's technically illegal to offer it for sale, as well as being against eBay policy.

And yes, replica ancient coins were one of the specific targets of the 1973 legislation. Back then, Slavey was at the height of his replica-making business, boldly advertising his cheap-but-realistic replica ancients for sale in the coin magazines of the day. At the time, it wasn't illegal to sell fake non-US coins, so long as you were not fraudulent i.e. you told everybody they were fakes. Slavey vehemently opposed the proposed legislation, claiming the "COPY" counterstamp would ruin his "artwork". Not surprisingly, the flood of Slavey copies mostly ceased after the legislation was passed.

And yes, the law does mean that you are supposed to stamp "COPY" into your Paduan or fouree before offering it up for sale or importing it into the US.

Other countries, of course, are not bound by US laws.

[Lech Stępniewski]

They state they are replicas in the listing:
....."This is a stylistic piece and is sold as a modern replica, not an authentic item"........

In my opinion, it's still a fraud. This information should be in the title of the auction.

Well, they can't do that.

Well, it is not entirely true. See example below. "Stunning" seems to be an exaggeration but "Reproduction" is OK.

[Curtis JJ]

Sounds like they either loosened up the automatic keyword controls or no one has bothered to "Report" them. (I see others too.)

When I sold coins on ebay (until 8 years ago, when I stopped), they removed all of my listings for contemporary counterfeit / plated / fourree coins. I remember it being quite frustrating. Especially that they refused to allow an NGC encapsulated plated Julius Caesar elephant denarius (labeled "ancient forgery" on the tag). I tried relisting & calling & talking to them, but nothing would work.

[Joe Sermarini]

I stopped selling on eBay after some of my listings were removed by idiots with no understanding for reasons that were complete nonsense. I don't remember what the specifics were, just that it was ridiculous. This was after being on eBay for well over 20 years. Meanwhile the obvious frauds have been there the whole time.

Another factor was that sales on eBay had dwindled to almost nothing, while the fees kept rising.